internet natives and their pathologies

[version]

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Apparently this is funny.

 

[luka]

the way it's shattered time must be one of the biggest things. no plataeu, no plain, no endless steppe. each moment sub-divided into the length of time it takes the read a tweet and scroll down to the next one.

 

[version]

The stuff Lasch's Angry Ghost is always tweeting about, the synchronisation of emotions, is huge too. Everyone being switched onto the plight of Afghanistan through their feeds for a week or so.

 

[luka]

Apparently this is funny.

the Big Three O

 

[luka]

shails is obsessed with this topic. hes got loads of pet theories about performance and so on. he's going to unfurl them for us when he recovers from his latest pub-gak blow out.

 

[wektor]

saw this on weeter

A Child’s TikTok Stardom Opens Doors. Then a Gunman Arrives. (Published 2022)

Their daughter’s online venture plunged a Florida family into a nightmare, but they decided not to pull the plug.

www.nytimes.com

 

[wektor]

In early 2020, after Ava noticed Mr. Justin angling for her attention on TikTok, she learned that friends in New Jersey and Florida were selling him photos of her as well as her personal information, including her cellphone number, which Mr. Justin used to call and text her. In another instance, Mr. Justin logged onto a classmate’s school account and did math homework in exchange for information about Ava, her family said.

“I had to unfollow all my local friends and Jersey friends,” Ava said. “And everyone around me was like, ‘Oh you’re going Hollywood on all of us, you don’t want to talk to us anymore.’ And I’m like, ‘You’re selling my stuff.’”
But Ava’s parents allowed her to sell Mr. Justin a couple of selfies that she had already posted to Snapchat.
“I wasn’t sending anything of my body,’’ Ava said. “It was just pictures of my face, which is what I assume that he was paying for. My whole thing is my pretty smile — that’s my content.” She said Mr. Justin paid about $300 for two photos, via the Venmo digital wallet app.
After that, Mr. Justin messaged Ava on Venmo with a breakdown of what he would pay for “booty pics” and photos of her feet, “stuff that a 14-year-old shouldn’t be sending,” she said. She blocked him on all her accounts. In Venmo messages viewed by The Times, Mr. Justin pleaded with her to unblock him, sending $159.18, then $100, and finally $368.50 with the message, “sorry this is all I have left i’m broke.”

Mr. Majury said he texted Mr. Justin’s cellphone, told him that Ava was a minor, and demanded that he stop contacting her.
At that point Mr. Justin’s efforts turned sinister. In a series of text messages that made their way to Ava, and which the Majury family showed The Times, he asked one of Ava’s male classmates whether he had access to a “strap,” or gun, shared plans to assault her, and wrote, “i could just breach the door with a shotgun i think.” The classmate’s mother declined an interview request.

 

[wektor]

In early August, Ava received messages on Venmo from a man calling her “baby girl,” offering to pay $1,000 a month for her phone number. Her parents discovered that the man’s name matches that of a registered sex offender, arrested previously for soliciting a 14-year-old girl.

Mrs. Majury remembers thinking, “We can’t live like this.”

I like how this isn't the bottom line of the article, it goes further and the parents are still okay with it somehow

The boy who received Mr. Justin’s messages about his plans to attack Ava still attends high school with her. In December, Ava told her parents that he was following and watching her. The family visited the high school to report the matter. Last month, another classmate sent her a video the boy had made of himself firing a gun at a shooting range, her mother said.
Unnerved, Ava withdrew from school this month and now attends class from home.

"I think we just had to allow her to make a decision and sort of support her."

 

[Clinamenic]

Apparently this is funny.

 

[Clinamenic]

Anyway, about the thread, I think in a hundred years we may look back and confidently say the internet was the most paradigm shifting event in human history.

If you zoom out enough, its a sort of cumulation of other trends of dematerialization, of intelligent matter being able to operate despite certain material limitations, i.e. incrementally transcending its own nature. To be sure, I expect this could be an infinite process, so as to dispel any delusions of modern enlightenment.

 

[Clinamenic]

That said, I'm not familiar enough with the advents of fire and other contenders here to be as cocksure as I am.

 

[version]

That said, I'm not familiar enough with the advents of fire and other contenders here to be as cocksure as I am.

 

[Clinamenic]

It could perhaps be understood as the process by which intelligence abstracts itself beyond its own physical embodiment.

 

[shakahislop]

Anyway, about the thread, I think in a hundred years we may look back and confidently say the internet was the most paradigm shifting event in human history.

If you zoom out enough, its a sort of cumulation of other trends of dematerialization, of intelligent matter being able to operate despite certain material limitations, i.e. incrementally transcending its own nature. To be sure, I expect this could be an infinite process, so as to dispel any delusions of modern enlightenment.

i mean maybe not the whole of history, but it is for sure the most important thing that's happening at the moment. there's a weird way that even something that seemed pivotal like TV was just a short intermediate period leading up to the internet

 

[Clinamenic]

But I do maintain that these developments tend to wreak havoc on many young minds, who were socially thrust online in the manner of unwitting pioneers, canaries even, without the guidance of a prior generation of internet natives. Psycho-affective casualties of Moore's Law.

 

[wektor]

even something that seemed pivotal like TV was just a short intermediate period leading up to the internet

is it not always like that with technology advancing?
I find it hard not to imagine people feeling like all the history has been leading up to their own lived chunk of time. which is very close to the end times, of course.

 

[shakahislop]

is it not always like that with technology advancing?
I find it hard not to imagine people feeling like all the history has been leading up to their own lived chunk of time. which is very close to the end times, of course.

yeah you're right. its probably better to think of the development of communications technology from the radio onwards as a continuum, for example

 

[Clinamenic]

is it not always like that with technology advancing?
I find it hard not to imagine people feeling like all the history has been leading up to their own lived chunk of time. which is very close to the end times, of course.

True, it just feels like, with certain developments like the internet, a platform is erected upon which further developments can compile. But as you say, this stack dynamic can really apply to almost all prior technology.

 

[Clinamenic]

yeah you're right. its probably better to think of the development of communications technology from the radio onwards as a continuum, for example

In which development the US Department of Defense is arguably the pre-eminent midwife.

 

[Clinamenic]

is it not always like that with technology advancing?
I find it hard not to imagine people feeling like all the history has been leading up to their own lived chunk of time. which is very close to the end times, of course.

Although, I'm of the opinion that in a good chunk of time, enough time for a proper anthropology of the internet to unfold and settle, we will look back on the internet as a technological event on par with any other. That is, if we can consider the internet a single, coherent development, rather than a series of cryptographic and IT innovations, like the various protocols comprising the internet.