The Erosion of Dissent

[luka]

i dont think i understand that

 

[sufi]

Anyone else getting the impression dissent is increasingly viewed or painted as exclusively right wing?

funny you should ask that question,

i've been pondering how the stop the war campaign have been cancelled by the centrists for corbynism and whether there is any space at all available for pacifism,
in this new war mode that we slid into so smoothly where anyone who is not pro-war is pro-putin

 

[version]

i dont think i understand that

Yeah, I don't really either. I think I get the general idea, but I'm not entirely certain about the logic behind it. I'll have to reread it at some point. There's a bit of the old thing of something containing the seeds of its own destruction too; that things continue according to their own logic until they inevitably destroy themselves. It's pretty dense for its length and I'm still chewing on it.

 

[version]

funny you should ask that question,

i've been pondering how the stop the war campaign have been cancelled by the centrists for corbynism and whether there is any space at all available for pacifism,
in this new war mode that we slid into so smoothly where anyone who is not pro-war is pro-putin

I've seen a bunch of accounts on Twitter doing the whole "Imagine if Corbyn were in charge... He'd be fighting for the Russians!" thing too.

 

[sufi]

I've seen a bunch of accounts on Twitter doing the whole "Imagine if Corbyn were in charge... He'd be fighting for the Russians!" thing too.

it's not exactly a straight left-right question tho is it?
since e.g. putin supports european fascists and nato supports ukrainian fascists,
and anti-semitism vs apartheid etc

 

[version]

i dont think i understand that

The Zidane thing is that he disrupted the whole globalized spectacle of the world cup without really intending to or doing so out of any active resistance or opposition to it.

 

[luka]

 

[woops]

 

[Clinamenic]

I think a big factor here is maybe that the future has more or less taken off without most people even understanding it, yet alone feeling like they can participate. The internet really is the embodiment of this. We can always say that the world people operate in has been beyond anyone's comprehension, but today our world is almost entirely programmed according to human will, namely the will of the technical savvy, i.e. experts.

 

[version]

 

[Clinamenic]

I do think a lot of this unrest is an artifact of people who experienced life before the internet, and how rapidly life is changing. I think people born into this way of life will likely go on to feel less compelled to dissent, and will actually naturally find vectors for self-realization in the digital world that would be arcane and maybe even silly to previous generations.

 

[Clinamenic]

I think a big factor here is maybe that the future has more or less taken off without most people even understanding it, yet alone feeling like they can participate. The internet really is the embodiment of this. We can always say that the world people operate in has been beyond anyone's comprehension, but today our world is almost entirely programmed according to human will, namely the will of the technical savvy, i.e. experts.

Especially since the technical savvy in question largely boils down to systems theory / cybernetics, which is more or less the science of control, of fine-tuning systems unto equilibria.

 

[luka]

dont think Stan has read your thread version

 

[Clinamenic]

Well I agree in that it does seem dissent is becoming stigmatized as right-wing, largely because (I think) progressives have been so successful at impacting mainstream culture.

 

[Clinamenic]

Speaking as a progressive, that is.

The trucker strike/protest I think is a good example of that. It actually makes me think of the matrix at @poetix made a while back (cucked/based x neurotic/paranoid), which I think very much applies to our situation. Masks are a great example of the cucked/based personality distinction.

 

[Clinamenic]

My point, however tangential, was that this angst I think largely stems from a frustration that our world is advancing in ways that we have little say in. Well, we have a say as consumers, but I think if consumption is the new civic mode of engagement, then the vast majority of us have a sort of false consciousness, i.e. haven't yet realized that the paradigm has shifted in such a way.

 

[Clinamenic]

One of the reasons I'm drawn to the frontier of web3, because it hasn't been settled by the incumbent system makers yet, and is really still at a stage of being quazi-governed by an idealistic technical pioneer spirit.

 

[Clinamenic]

And I suspect there will always be such frontiers, that the incumbents are simply too old to comprehend.

 

[version]

I think liberalism seeing itself as "being on the right side of history" means it has to view any dissent as immoral and these days that's synonymous with being right wing, so all dissent gets lumped in with that.

 

[Clinamenic]

One of the reasons I'm drawn to the frontier of web3, because it hasn't been settled by the incumbent system makers yet, and is really still at a stage of being quazi-governed by an idealistic technical pioneer spirit.

But the biggest downside here, is that when a person ventures out into this space, even without financial interests, they are met with an onslaught of technical terminology and jargon.