luka

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this is where vimothy and his understudy josef k were ahead of the game in their characterisation of the new world order as 'liberal'. that was vim's thesis first. then people like moldbug and nick land picked up on it.
 

luka

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another person whos beyond the pale, sam kriss (i think he did a few sexual assaults) was saying something similar recently. i read it becasue it was about my favourite film, the matrix.
 

version

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I saw someone accusing the critical theory sub on Reddit of trying to steer people to "the extreme right" because the comments weren't all unequivocally denouncing Agamben's stuff on the pandemic.
 

luka

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These days, the mantra of the good progressive types is not question everything, but in this house we believe. Believe the science, believe the experts, believe in our institutions, believe women. Liberals no longer think ordinary people should get to interrogate the big questions for themselves: your Google search is not the same as my medical degree. They don’t think corporate media is inherently propagandistic: it’s our last bulwark against online disinformation. They don’t even oppose the totalizing effect of mass culture: they just want culture-commodities to carry the right kind of didactic messaging. Along the way, an entire language has vanished, a whole stock of concepts has fallen out of use. Who, in 2022, bothers railing against conformity? Who wants to talk about alienation? Who is trying to shock us with their bold critiques of consumerism?
 

luka

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i sent you that thing the other day, it's probably too embaressing to post here which is why i sent it as a private message but its arguing a similar point
 

version

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i sent you that thing the other day, it's probably too embaressing to post here which is why i sent it as a private message but its arguing a similar point
Yeah, I was thinking of that too. And that Invisible Committee excerpt yyaldrin posted about not ceding the conspiracy theory territory entirely to the right,

"Conspiracy theories spring from the fear of the helpless individual confronted with the gargantuan apparatus of technological society and an incomprehensible historical trajectory. It is no use, then, to dismiss the conspiracy theorist as wrong, grotesque or censurable, one must address the fear from which he comes by producing historical intelligibility and pointing the way out of helplessness. No matter how exhausting one gets in explaining to the 'poor in spirit' why they are wrong, why things are complicated, why it is immoral to do this or to think that, in short: to evangelize them over and over again. No matter how much fuss the media can cause. This is mostly ineffective and sometimes even counterproductive. In truth, behind the conspiracy theorist is a desperate search for truth, a refusal to continue living as a slave who works and consumes blindly, a desire to find a common plan that breaks away from the existing order, an innate feeling for the machinations at work, a sensitivity to the fate this society holds for childhood, to the truly devilish nature of power and the accumulation of wealth, but above all a political awakening. To leave all of this to the extreme right, would be suicidal"
 

luka

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it does represent a polarity shift, one of many to have taken place over the last however many years
 

version

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I read another Baudrillard book yesterday - Carnival and Cannibal - and one of the things he does in that is make a distinction between hegemony and domination. According to him, the former doesn't need an opposition the way the latter does.

"The hegemonic form tends quite simply to liquidate its opponents, regarding them as worthless, eccentric and residual. A style not of oppression and alienation, but of excommunication of everything that doesn’t fall within this sphere of integral performance and exchange. A style of foreclosure of a delinquent minority... "
 

luka

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i was trying to get at some related thing with that thread about the end of resistance. why people like barty and stan and gus all think everything is great and think any foot dragging is childish
 

version

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this one is the biggest pisstake.

oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) – this is defined by negative and disruptive behaviour, particularly towards authority figures, such as parents and teachers
There's this too. The medicalisation of dissent. If you resist then you're mentally ill, a fascist or both.
 

luka

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this one never got off the ground but perhaps this thread will
 

version

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Baudrillard's suggestion in that book I mentioned was that whatever happens will happen inside, that things will spontaneously erupt and short circuit due to all opposition having been absorbed or liquidated. One example he gives is the Zidane headbutt.
 
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