Theft & Originality

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Genius steals as they say

Sampling is a bit too on the nose for this I was thinking more examples of musicians nicking another musician's melody/chords/lyrics etc...

BTW no condemnation is implied here – unless someone's completely ripped someone else off and not credited them etc.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Someone played me this the other day



And I though oh Rod Stewart sample... but of course Rod the Mod didn't write that he nicked it off some Brazilian tune I think.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
A revelation (of sorts) I had recently was that when I tried to make music I was somehow committed to coming up with everything myself – despite my lack of musical training/natural genius

When actually nicking bits and pieces of other pieces of music is a great way of making something not shit
 

sufi

lala
perfect example and exposition for you @Corpsey

Brutal, a track on Rodrigo's number one album, is based around a punky chord sequence that also featured in Costello's 1978 hit Pump It Up.
But when a Twitter user said Rodrigo's song was "pretty much a direct lift", Costello replied: "This is fine by me.
"It's how rock & roll works," he wrote. "You take the broken pieces of another thrill and make a brand new toy."
He added: "That's what I did."

The veteran singer-songwriter also included hashtags referencing Bob Dylan's 1965 classic Subterranean Homesick Blues, which inspired Pump It Up; and Chuck Berry's 1956 single Too Much Monkey Business, which influenced the Dylan song.

 

Leo

Well-known member
Sounds like a few different Wire songs, but not one in particular. Yet made it their own

 

forclosure

Well-known member
A revelation (of sorts) I had recently was that when I tried to make music I was somehow committed to coming up with everything myself – despite my lack of musical training/natural genius

When actually nicking bits and pieces of other pieces of music is a great way of making something not shit
what i want to know is why were you so commited to coming up with everything yourself? (also natural genius is bullshit)

i used to know a guy who once tried to create music without absorbing any outside influences as you can imagine i thought it was stupid
 

forclosure

Well-known member
i talked about this with shakahislop not too long ago where he thinks what Carti is doing now as far as whole lotta read is a completly radical and new thing where as i feel like i know what Carti is pulling from and which scenes he;s taking producers and his whole "vamp" ting from likewise he's interested rap more from a view of "weird things done in the margins of pop" whereas i'm more of a digger who feels like you need to be aware of things not just in that interesting pop way to know who and where things are coming from.

Rappers taking credit for other things no matter how minor has always been a thing in rap but more so now it feels like a common occurance now
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
what i want to know is why were you so commited to coming up with everything yourself? (also natural genius is bullshit)

i used to know a guy who once tried to create music without absorbing any outside influences as you can imagine i thought it was stupid

Well, I don't want to suggest I was trying to come up with a new SOUND/GENRE myself – I was making e.g. dubstep, highly conventional stuff, but the idea would be to come up with new basslines, new melodies etc.

I was always opposed (in those days) to people ripping each other off because it seemed better somehow that everyone had their own style. But of course anyone's style is made up of their influences. I guess I just didn't think about the possibility of e.g. taking a melody from some other record and building something around that.

I'm not saying that it isn't a good idea to try and do this btw but I also think a lot of great music is based on theft (or 'borrowing' to be less judgemental) – e.g. every piece of music that uses a sample ever.
 

forclosure

Well-known member
I was always opposed (in those days) to people ripping each other off because it seemed better somehow that everyone had their own style. But of course anyone's style is made up of their influences. I guess I just didn't think about the possibility of e.g. taking a melody from some other record and building something around that.

I'm not saying that it isn't a good idea to try and do this btw but I also think a lot of great music is based on theft (or 'borrowing' to be less judgemental) – e.g. every piece of music that uses a sample ever.
I thought as much that it came from some bullshit craftsman idea of "i built it with my own two hands therefore its more authentic"

I think the problem with this conversation not just to do with the title of it is that so much of it is framed and built around the legality of sampling/borrowing/stealing that you can't just discuss the use of what songs are used or why .

or hell why certain producers go for this particular era of tunes to sample from rather than others.
 

sus

Well-known member
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Weirdly appropriate YT comments to the "Heredity" track, given the original prelude is used for the opening scene of New World, when the colonists arrive in Virginia wilderness
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Stetson just condensed the prelude, changed the key, made the subtle waves rising more immediate and splashy so you’re done quickly. In. Out. Bypasses any slow, vertiginous escalation although the end result isn’t exactly shite either
 
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