the house Renaissance

CrowleyHead

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It's crazy. The way this thread has gone so far, you'd think these songs hadn't existed before with significant re-recording of vocal takes to compliment the remixes. They must be collective hallucinations.
 

Leo

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I'm concerned what you gentlemen have been talking about for days. It suggests you have all felt an urge to talk out your asses collectively.

Most of the discussion here has been around the media and twitter reaction to the album, and her in general, though.
 

thirdform

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There appears to be a history of this woman working with house her whole career.

Sure. But you must remember that dissensus completely fails when it comes to house music. literally no clue whatsoever. I'd argue that dissensus on house is like ilx on grime. Just no taste, discernment, whatever. The premise of the thread is nonsense. the house that dissensus likes can more correctly be called shithouse.
 

thirdform

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but then again I don't think a lot of vocal house after 1998 is much cop, so who am I to engage in this (to me hilarious) battle of wills. I'll let you all fight it out.
 

thirdform

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that cure and the cause song is sooooo cheesy, and I like the mor apple/funkystepz/dj quicktime/ma1 end of UK funky. But it is. Music for clean cut, middle manager sexy ibiza people. Doesn't even sound good at +16 when I want to mix it with hardcore acid a la a Turkish terminator Ron Hardy
 

thirdform

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i mean, i get why Marcus Nasty likes it. cos I mean I could enjoy it on 7 garys. and have done so in the past. But at 5 AM when I'm surrounded by a load of infidels with their shite red stripes? get some raki down yer fucking gullet and learn to drink properly. Even Luke gets fucking sloshed on cocktails, it's a disgrace really.
 
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rubberdingyrapids

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Has beyonce really worked in or with House her whole career? Surely she just had someone (manager, label person) suggest she include some dance remixes so she went along with having her singles remixed (or had no say or knowledge whatsoever as is also fairly likely). Nothing that different from most rnb artists of that period. Ive got dozens of rnb singles from the early 00s with ukg mixes. Am i to assume all those American artists expressly asked for ukg producers to remix their songs? Possible but doubtful. Anyway when her country album comes out i posted her collabo with the Dixie chicks so will be first in line if anyone suggests beyonce isn't as country as willie nelson or dolly parton.
 
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CrowleyHead

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that cure and the cause song is sooooo cheesy, and I like the mor apple/funkystepz/dj quicktime/ma1 end of UK funky. But it is. Music for clean cut, middle manager sexy ibiza people. Doesn't even sound good at +16 when I want to mix it with hardcore acid a la a Turkish terminator Ron Hardy

It's not really a Funky song, it's a song Funky rediscovered and claimed but also you don't like good things. Besides it's got dancehall strings and you wanna call it "Middle Manager Sexy Ibiza People" music smh. You keep this up you're going to end up as miserable as this bunch.

Has beyonce really worked in or with House her whole career?

I just gave you half a dozen examples and you're comparing it to 'random UKG remixes' when how many of those artists Re-Recorded their vocals for the house mixes like I said (which you can even go back and investigate if you want to stop acting like you're smarter than a pop artist).
 

CrowleyHead

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Most of the discussion here has been around the media and twitter reaction to the album, and her in general, though.

It's more about enabling an old stoner's tantrums because we liked things he wrote 20 years ago. We don't have to indulge this crying about writer consensus not matching his own. Nobody's forcing any of you to read album reviews.
 

IdleRich

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not that it matters, but, er, green velvet is a christian! and I'd wager more practising than Beyonce.

But if you're arguing that beyonce is making music for straightlaced ppl thats different.

Certainly La La Land seems to be a very anti-drugs song... I was always waiting for the punchline but I don't think there is one so you have to read it as a straight-forward "don't take ecstasy kids" song. Some of his others too I seem to recall but I can't remember the particular lyrics just now..
 

thirdform

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It's not really a Funky song, it's a song Funky rediscovered and claimed but also you don't like good things. Besides it's got dancehall strings and you wanna call it "Middle Manager Sexy Ibiza People" music smh. You keep this up you're going to end up as miserable as this bunch.

yeah im aware its a song rediscovered by funky.

I like nice things, just not amongst the uncircumcised anglos. It's rigid standards, you see. My terror in music is a weapon to frighten people away so I can contentedly enjoy my Ronnie Laws. That's the thing with that cure and the cause song, I can't let my standards slide amongst clubbers. never ever ever ever. At home though, I can indeed enjoy it. You're too irreverent, you'll never fully understand this aspect of my personality. Perhaps you might if you listen to anatolian davul zurna wedding music for 7 days when everyone is sleeping at full volume, but then you might get evicted. Bloody Amrika.

Also, UK funky owes quite a bit to clean cut sexy ibiza peoples house music, for better or worse. That's not a value judgment, just like 92 uk piano hardcore owes more to cheesy italo house than it does deep chicago and detroit cuts.

'never be afraid of the cheese' a quote ironically attributed to Weatherall, or something like that.

but also:


This was signed to Ministry of Sound, got played by all the Beefa djs like Pete Tong. Still a banger, but it def crossed over into that scene.

also also: there was a dizzee rascal interview, can't remember where now, where he talks about discovering the impact of house music in Ibiza. I would wager that many of the grime boys did.
 
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thirdform

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Why do I enjoy ugly music in clubs? Because clubs are ugly. If you've got the privilege of sight, you can map out a line, go to the toilet, smoke a few cigs, and be back on the dancefloor. Not when you're blind. smashing through about 50 people whilst embarrassedly saying sorry, I apologise, over and over again, I apologise, then sometimes having the bouncers tell you you shouldn't have come alone, as if they were vindicated not to let you in, as if you owe them something. then, thankfully, some punter who you don't know helps you. and you're eternally grateful because you can't snap out yer white cane in a place which is packed like sardines. a good thing you haven't wet yourself, yet. and then in the smoking area, a bouncer will push you down the stairs because you are lighting your cigarette and not moving.

How can you enjoy good things in such an environment? The bouncers weren't going to let you in anyway before pleading with them for 10 mins and some randomer who you only just met at another party, and/or in the queue has decided to tell the bouncers yer their mate. Thanks man, but you go enjoy yerself, don't worry about me, no, seriously. No obligation. Safe spaces? fuck off.

Then finally you're dancing to barbara tucker beautiful people, the pills are at work, yer peaking with the lads, life is good, you go to their afters, and you hear one of their uncles was in the blimmin national front. What are you supposed to do? Eh? better to have some dark as fuck lysergic techno to frighten the happy go lucky numpties and turn the club into a gargoil gothic zone and reflect how you are really feeling. shadowbox away all the diversity and inclusivity types who have never truly been friends with a visually impaired person in their life. stomp away all the fury, catharsis.
 
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thirdform

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like the sufis once said, all teachers are actors. and it is incumbent for their students to fall into becoming actors themselves. Because life is an act, a theatre. Of course fun is not haram, but one must act as if it is, to ascend to the higher dimension of cognition.
 

shakahislop

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Why do I enjoy ugly music in clubs? Because clubs are ugly. If you've got the privilege of sight, you can map out a line, go to the toilet, smoke a few cigs, and be back on the dancefloor. Not when you're blind. smashing through about 50 people whilst embarrassedly saying sorry, I apologise, over and over again, I apologise, then sometimes having the bouncers tell you you shouldn't have come alone, as if they were vindicated not to let you in, as if you owe them something. then, thankfully, some punter who you don't know helps you. and you're eternally grateful because you can't snap out yer white cane in a place which is packed like sardines. a good thing you haven't wet yourself, yet. and then in the smoking area, a bouncer will push you down the stairs because you are lighting your cigarette and not moving.

How can you enjoy good things in such an environment? The bouncers weren't going to let you in anyway before pleading with them for 10 mins and some randomer who you only just met at another party, and/or in the queue has decided to tell the bouncers yer their mate. Thanks man, but you go enjoy yerself, don't worry about me, no, seriously. No obligation. Safe spaces? fuck off.

Then finally you're dancing to barbara tucker beautiful people, the pills are at work, yer peaking with the lads, life is good, you go to their afters, and you hear one of their uncles was in the blimmin national front. What are you supposed to do? Eh? better to have some dark as fuck lysergic techno to frighten the happy go lucky numpties and turn the club into a gargoil gothic zone and reflect how you are really feeling. shadowbox away all the diversity and inclusivity types who have never truly been friends with a visually impaired person in their life. stomp away all the fury, catharsis.
That sounds like total bullshit, the bouncer part in particular, shit that you have to put up with that
 

thirdform

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That sounds like total bullshit, the bouncer part in particular, shit that you have to put up with that

It is just the way things are. I got sick of modern dance musics positivity/liberation message quite quickly. As a culture its top to bottom ransid. Crowl is right that I'm more interested in amusical, sonification of environments, of ghostly low frequencies which cause you to quake in yer boots. If you lot are interested in the hardcore continuum, then I tend to slightly wind the clock back and I'd say I'm more interested in the acid house continuum. Because the more that dance music becomes human, the more it loses its promise of release. Which doesn't mean I set up some kind of opposition where machine good, organic/human/soulful bad. It's just that with more songful forms of dance music, I tend to listen in the same way I would jazz, funk or rnb. But machinic forms of dance music become an exercise in minimising the ego, or submerging it in the collective. This is harder to do with verse corus verse songs where the subject is draped right in front of you. body coercion.

This is an extremely unpopular take but I really couldn't give a shit. a lot of these journalist/cultural commentator kids grew up going to indie discos and now are attempting to shamelessly disown it. The age old conundrum of the middle class white subject who can never appreciate music as its own form of craft and have to attach some hackneyed existential subtext to it. My racial marginalisation and disability is not fodder for your absolution and liberation fantasies.

I was listening to DJ Flight interviewing Marc Mac a couple of weeks ago and she remarked that for all the diversity conversations people are having, crowds in London and the UK in general have gotten whiter post-pandemic. And of course I'm not surprised. Noone wants to be tokenised, especially when the cost of living has skyrocketed and there is less money in peoples pockets. Some people have no shame.

Where I differ from some British black and Asian people is that I never considered myself as English and refuse to call myself English, so I can always serve as an uncomfortable jutting rod, shaming people into not feeing as dissonant as I am. Again, Marc Mac was saying something similar in his windrush stories interview with Flight, though of course my experiences as a child of Kurdish immigrants and his experiences as a child of Jamaican immigrants are different. Whilst my generation tends to identify with a kind of more open ended Englishness, a more multicultural version, I am steadfast in not falling for the bait. Because really, dance music has always been tied to a certain level of citizenship, a certain level of implicit toleration. After all, it is a commodity, and the needs of commodity sellers must conform to the needs of the national capital. Now I'm not advocating that everyone become stateless (although of course after a communist revolution that is the goal) but for them to interrogate their egoistic identifications. In my infinite wisdom, have I mistaken my desires for what is actually going on the ground? Nothing but hard industrial techno is an equally conformist trap as smooth silky house. One has to plunge headfirst into full on mania.

But im not bitter about music, not at all. Part of why I haven't gone clubbing for about 6 years now is precisely because I'm not bitter of music, there's always new things to discover. But the house/techno/dnb ecosystem of club play can be a bit of an inhibiting factor for that. Always priming yourself for the next rave, and it becomes progressively more underwhelming. It's no coincidence that my taste in dance music leans towards the abstract, because I like to pick things apart in my brain, even when dancing. So some of the wars and battles that people fight on here and ilx are just hilarious to me, of nothing really. This self-effacing attempt to disown the fact that they listen to Pierre Henri and John Coltrane records when not writing about functional club music. come off it.
 
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