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Leo

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That being said, I did like the Honey Dijon album from a few years ago and thrilled to see her getting the visibility and hopefully royalties.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
It could be with that this album just really did it for a lot of people. (It didn't do much for me but I also didn't give it much of a chance to. A friend of mine has been listening to nothing else all year -- she's a woman though, a woman who watches Ru Paul's Drag Race.)

But I do suspect that its a shoe-in for album of the year at a lot of outlets not because of its musical quality (which ofc is all a matter of subjective opinion) but because of its importance, real or notional, in terms of throwing a spotlight on black/queer culture in the mainstream. I mean it ticks all the boxes for music journalism anxious to be perceived as woke/LGBT+ positive. And the narrative of house music being recaptured by black/queer culture (again, bogus or not) is one that would appeal to critics too.

When there's no longer any consensus (if there ever was) over what constitutes good music, perhaps the only thing that can unify a bunch of critics in picking an album of the year is a narrative like that - and music that's poppy enough to have broad appeal while flirting with more niche and credible "underground" genres.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Maybe that's always been the way with the music media? Music needs a story attached to it. Not to be good music but to be interesting to write about.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Maybe that's always been the way with the music media? Music needs a story attached to it. Not to be good music but to be interesting to write about.

yes, Luke is a media shill, very good deduction. I find it quite charming and endearing when he will resort to the ilx playbook - who cares about the music, it's the rhetoric that matters. Of course, he would not ever (and neither would ilx) apply the same standards towards Pound and Prynn. Who cares about the quality of their prose and poetry, it's only the political rhetoric around them that matters!
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
Rihanna's gotta be the best of all of em, right? Gaga had some good singles, 1989 was cool, but Rihanna somehow manages to be more interesting, to have more persona than either of them, and without trying so hard.
rhianna makes the worst music and that almost makes her a non musical figure which adds to the mystique
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
The impulse to listen to house and the impulse to listen to beyonce seem irreconcilable. even if I loved beyonce I cant imagine any beyonce song satisfying that itch. hard to detach all the baggage a star like that brings to a folk genre.
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
Probably a shrewd move, for a second act of a career. There's a kind of ascendancy you can achieve through discourse and chatter. where your releases are Events. And then there's then popularity in the sense of being played a lot and people getting casual use-value out of your music. Sometimes the two can coexist. Beyonce probably had both for a good while, but then she realized, or found out, that she could stay on top through the former - being talked about - rather than being an omnipresent part of people's listening lives.

At a certain point, Beyonce as Public Figure becomes the point of her pop stardom as much as the music. The pop consumer consumes her Next Move as an idea, a twist in a narrative, far more than the actual substance of the move itself.

Beatles and Bowie both had that going on, but it seems to have become more and more common amongst top level pop stars- Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift... You don't want to just be played and enjoyed on the level of functionality, you want to be discussed, monitored, analysed.

I read pop reviews and they'll largely be an analysis of the career moves to date, the persona shifts. Taylor Swift did that video that was all about all the different "Taylor Swifts" so far.

There's stars who don't do that and it's really just about their reliable functionality - like Rihanna. I don't think there's much of a career narrative as such, maybe a little soap opera in terms of her private-public life.
do you think this second act could happen any other way? has there ever been an artist who extends their career by getting less serious with age?
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
do you think this second act could happen any other way? has there ever been an artist who extends their career by getting less serious with age?
that's an interesting question. the red house painters guy for a while. and, on a completely different note, r.l. burnside.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
Rihanna's gotta be the best of all of em, right? Gaga had some good singles, 1989 was cool, but Rihanna somehow manages to be more interesting, to have more persona than either of them, and without trying so hard.
lady gaga as airbrushed android red carpet supersaw bachlorette nightclub plastic illuminati diva (basically 2008-2009) = great, peak pop music
lady gaga as inspirational singer songwriter making anthems for misunderstood queer theater kids (all the stuff she’s done since? idk) = awful, unfortunately
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
tbf they've all surrendered to the logic of dance music anyway. even barty's music, despite him gently laughing at robobumming techno it all operates according to the short shelflife of production tricks, and all music worth talking about today in the popular realm comprises tricks. I'd say if house as mainstream phenomenon was pioneering in anything (for better or worse) it was that. disposability.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
disposability doesn't matter so much in senius scenes like house and techno and even rap culture to an extent, because the cream of da crop will endure through the fluctuations. But for auteur driven formats like pop music we may be seeing a crisis. It's easy to chalk the lack of a universal popular music fanaticism to the internet but i think there's something greater at work here, pop music is exhausted.
 

chava

Well-known member
Maybe that's always been the way with the music media? Music needs a story attached to it. Not to be good music but to be interesting to write about.
Says a lot about music critics. Maybe they should have skipped their "critical studies" classes and studied some proper music theory instead
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
I heard disturbia at a resteraunt the other day and was suprised by how good it was.

She had a nice run in the aughts but its been over a decade since anyone has cared for her music. Her second act was becoming a fan service performance for girls who draw on their eyebrows
 
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