Leo

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Sad to hear about your Phillies but loving the Astros being one up.

And yeah I don't mind a game that's not all non-stop action and scoring. Huge chunks of football (aka soccer) could be considered boring, just long kicks and passes back and forth at midfield, very few shots on goal, etc. Yes, baseball is slow. By there are plenty of boring basketball games where a combined 200+ points are scored.
 

Leo

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What's more enjoyable: watching the Phillies explode to come back and take a 3-1 series lead, or savoring the Yankees getting blanked at home with their $320 million ace pitcher on the mound and be down three games to none? Even better when their bats go silent (again) and multiple Astros runs come after an embarrassing error in the Yanks' outfield on a routine fly ball.

An abundance to riches. I don't want to be overconfident, it ain't over until the fat lady sings, of course. But it sure looks like she's getting ready for her grand finale.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
@version - I believe that somewhere on dissensus is a story told by STN about how his American relatives persuaded him to pretend to be mentally handicapped so they could get into baseball game for free or something. He hadn't realised that he'd have to sit in a wheelchair for three hours at the game trying to look as though he was mentally handicapped... whatever that means. Anyway, it's by far the best baseball story I've ever heard, can you find it for me please?
 
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WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
watching the Phillies explode to come back and take a 3-1 series lead

Aye, from 4 runs down, game got better and better, both starting pitchers binned after first innings too. Big cracks off the bat, a redeeming feature of this current run of night shifts
@version - I believe that somewhere on dissensus is a story told by STN about how his American relatives persuaded him to pretend to be mentally handicapped so they could get into baseball game for free or something. He hadn't realised that he'd have to sit in a wheelchair for three hours at the game trying to look as though he was mentally handicapped... whatever that means. Anyway, it's by far the best baseball story I've ever heard, can you find it for me please?

seconded, I’ve smuggled bottles of booze into Celtic as a child for my Dad’s cronies but not as a a wheelchair user feigning disability as an adult
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Finally, another crackling game too. Developed a way to work and watch - volume down, keep things discreet on calls until back on days

Tempted to ring a friend about a visit over with a 10 day hit and run stay but that might require some creative border logistics
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
And yeah I don't mind a game that's not all non-stop action and scoring
The problem with baseball is not the lack of scoring

The problem with baseball is: Pitcher shakes off sign. Perfunctory pickoff attempt. Batter calls time, steps out of box. Perfunctory pickoff attempt. Pitch fouled off. Perfunctory pickoff attempt. Batter calls time, steps out of box. Repeat etc ad nauseum for 3-4 hours.

It's not like I made this up out of thin air. Major League Baseball itself has been trying out rule adjustments to speed games up for years.

If you or whoever enjoy the "meditative" aspect or whatever that's fine but don't imply that it's a failing of anyone else to not appreciate it. I've watched a lot of baseball in my life. It is extremely boring, and its corny Americana self-mythologizing is insufferable.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Also, all drunk sports crowds are as a rule awful, but baseball crowds are particularly bad for some reason. I was at a show in 2016 the night Cubs won the World Series and we emerged at midnight to an endless sea of drunk frat bros and Karens, just the absolute worst.
 

Leo

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If you or whoever enjoy the "meditative" aspect or whatever that's fine but don't imply that it's a failing of anyone else to not appreciate it. I've watched a lot of baseball in my life. It is extremely boring, and its corny Americana self-mythologizing is insufferable.

I never claimed any of this. And yeah it's slow.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
The problem with baseball is not the lack of scoring

The problem with baseball is: Pitcher shakes off sign. Perfunctory pickoff attempt. Batter calls time, steps out of box. Perfunctory pickoff attempt. Pitch fouled off. Perfunctory pickoff attempt. Batter calls time, steps out of box. Repeat etc ad nauseum for 3-4 hours.

It's not like I made this up out of thin air. Major League Baseball itself has been trying out rule adjustments to speed games up for years.

If you or whoever enjoy the "meditative" aspect or whatever that's fine but don't imply that it's a failing of anyone else to not appreciate it. I've watched a lot of baseball in my life. It is extremely boring, and its corny Americana self-mythologizing is insufferable.

Heteronormative anti-flow?
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Sorry, we got another new PM between posts

Can see where you’re coming from. In a paradoxical context, part of the reason cricket grated was overbearing class and colonial strangeness in an antagonistic parallel world. Still, a variety of mates played as kids from all backgrounds and when West Indies, India, Pakistan and Australia toured they‘d go ocd nuts. Then West Indies whitewashed England peak-Thatcher period and it made a lasting impression that this game which wasn’t football, rugby or hurling, this most English of games, actually had competitive merits. Going to a rare few international (as opposed to regionally parochial) tests at Trent Bridge brought me round about 135 degrees

As a foreigner one of the objective benefits of bypassing a lot of baseball myths is you don’t have to care about these dead blokes and any broader culture. My senses don’t seem tamed watching so much as engaged with and that’s with the volume off due to incessant (incessant) advertising. A simple game is still controlled mastery of throwing projectiles uber accurately at different speeds with command of movement, swing a stick without a flat face, miss or hit, catch, walk, run, score and while player analytics is fundamental to baseball, the game retains magical momentum changes and feats of class

Was lucky enough to be gifted free tickets to games by your fellow citizens so there’s a generosity association that’s hard to bypass. Moving around your country playing baseball for fun on days off in cities and quiet towns and being (ironically) able to wallop a ball, opened up centuries of English repression in my psyche (partial joke), this strange American gift, to whack a ball, freely!

Boring, mythological hokum? Maybe, such are the paradoxes of ball games with their mix of joy and fascination. Time wasting is part of many sports. Google tells me a cricket team can be fined for slow over rates. Playing rugby young became a chore rather than fun but I still worship it as a game, not even Celtic FC surpass the 6 Nations. If the US was competing regularly in baseball internationally against competitive challengers, there‘d be added frisson but it doesn’t work this way. Instead it picks off talent from places with a playing link. People drink too, you can’t change everyone to be straight edged, plenty of drunks at Sixers, Celtics and random games attended although there is greater decorum
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
As a foreigner one of the objective benefits of bypassing a lot of baseball myths is you don’t have to care about these dead blokes and any broader culture
The same way an American can basically sidestep the leviathan of cultural detritus underpinning soccer, sure

When you've lived thru decades of this American pastime nonsense, including the cartoonish 90s-00s steroid era, the hokey sanctimony is hard to swallow

I 100% agree that playing baseball >>> watching baseball, more than for most sports. And obviously going to a game in person is superior to TV, tho for the total experience rather than the game itself.

Idc if ppl drink @ sporting events, but drunk post-victory sports crowds of in large part suburbanites and yuppies have nothing but my contempt. If you're gonna get disorderly do it for a good reason, not cause a bunch of guys in one set of uniforms beat guys in a different uniform.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Wrigleyville is notoriously terrible for those exact reasons, an endless parade of tourists and suburbanites puking in the streets outside a row of shitty bars
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
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Played up to too, performance clown multi generational jocks (most ain’t, they just go with the tide) and then a reputation grows for being dicks. Maybe that kid from Cherry Hill (middle class) puking on opposition fans isn’t quite as bad as some of the football foolishness common here not so long ago. i remember McGwire, blatant, big oaf. Didn’t even hide it. Drugs ruined cycling imho and watching re the Tour. People abuse pharmacology to put an extra 10 yards on a golf drive. Who knows where the cutting edge is now? Biscuits might leap to a gain of function graph, agh

Throwing is quite primal, coming from coordinated attack patterns with species x,y,z and watching master throwing with a rare stupid sausage and peppers blow out isnt the worst treat in the world. There’s 300 million Americans and nearly all throw balls to some degree so vetting for talent is industrialised. Caught a handful of tripleA matches working for a catering stand vendor. Anthropology scanner goes up, the typologies of human interactions because I could observe and learn about Americans at play and you’d see a lot more of the game play, visible coaching signals and pitching angles watching on quick cig break

Philadelphia can be grim but uniquely grim enough that you can’t help but poke around and see the heart in the face of a gun and drug onslaught, even weird beard Lynch picked up on certain moods in places and their almost transcendent quality of decay
 

Leo

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Wash is still too busy celebrating last night's come from behind, extra-inning victory in game one to post here. going back to Philly up 2-0 would be very sweet.

I really don't have a dog in this race, but leaning towards my City of Brotherly Love neighbors who haven't won a ring in a long time. Plus, gotta love Kyle Schwarber. And the Astros still have the taint of cheaters.
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Mental game. Not so good tonight thus far, can’t keep coming from runs down

Too busy to really focus this eve with work....missed the runs, agh!
 
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