[FYP] Very Important Please Read Immediately

[sus]

The posts in question are threaded below, read them in order and report and comments or questions here, and I will dispel any confusions you might have, e.g. that there is such thing as a "meaning" of an utterance, or that sentences have semantic "content"

 

[sus]

@woops @luka as poets it's very important you understand what language is

 

[sus]

@linebaugh you should understand the semantic "meaning" of dying your hair orange

 

[sus]

@Clinamenic Money is just a form of communication so this doubles as a theory of finance and capital

 

[IdleRich]

read them in order and report and comments or questions here

What? If that utterance has a meaning it's beyond me.

 

[Leo]

Yeah, what are you on about, Gus?

 

[IdleRich]

However I have now read the piece called Gaming and Entailment and sounds about right, certainly I see little to argue with in what you've said. Ironically(?) enough it makes perfect sense, in fact, unless I'm missing the point somewhere it feels fairly uncontroversial - some may not like the choice of language and the negative implications that could be supposed to arise from it I guess but that's it.

Maybe I'm not getting it but, if I am, I think that you're saying, for example, that if you were at the dinner table with someone and you asked them to pass you the salt, then one way of describing that is as a move in a game that seeks to steer (or manipulate) them into moving the salt so you can use it. And no doubt some might say "I'm not manipulating anyone" but that would only be a sort of delicacy about their perceived connotations of the word manipulate.

 

[Leo]

Also, you "use" quotes too often.

 

[IdleRich]

But the big question that I feel arises from this piece is...

 

[IdleRich]

Will I read the next part?

 

[IdleRich]

Turns out yes. But - sorry - what is TIS?

But I’ve also developed a hunch that understanding.... ....is key to everything we’re interested in at TIS.

Is it just me that is thrown by this? It feels that, the way you've linked this to dissensus, everyone here knows what TIS is and what their goals are and the importance of the explore-exploit algorithm to them should be obvious... but I'm afraid that all slipped by me, maybe I was away that day.

 

[Clinamenic]

@Clinamenic Money is just a form of communication so this doubles as a theory of finance and capital

I definitely think money is an artefact of the symbolic realm, as a means of expressing our imperfect ability of valuation, but the unit of currency would seem more objective than semantic units/phrases.

 

[Clinamenic]

You could argue that's the reason why money has proven so integral to the development of society: that it enables a minimally ambiguous reference point for valuation, plus all the stuff about it making transactions more liquid.

 

[Clinamenic]

I generally think meaning is an artefact of the psyche, and as such is terminally idiosyncratic and completely structural, relative to a given psyche.

 

[linebaugh]

Oh I thought this was just a bunch of tweets. Ill try to read the posts tomorow

 

[linebaugh]

@linebaugh you should understand the semantic "meaning" of dying your hair orange

Again, havent read this, but dying my hair has always been a 'for me' thing. Makes me feel more comtorable in my skin. Not that one doesnt communicate with oneself or my perception of self isnt formed in communication with others, nor that dying my hair doesnt have 'meaning' outside of my intent....what Im saying is if your trying to insult me I reject the premise entirely

 

[IdleRich]

I definitely think money is an artefact of the symbolic realm, as a means of expressing our imperfect ability of valuation, but the unit of currency would seem more objective than semantic units/phrases.

Money is a form of communication is clearly true... but the statement "Money is just a form of communication" is even more clearly wrong... perhaps a typo or just a cock up while in a hurry. Whatever I broadly agree with what you're saying, takes me back to when I was going out with this girl who was doing her phd on language and art and she was trying loads of different theories of language to see which one worked best as an analogue to art in the way that she wanted it to... long time ago but she talked about a lot of this kind of stuff and used me as a sort of sounding board to test her theories.

 

[linebaugh]

'Information-theoretic dynamics of perception/reference' : thats a tough one. Are you saying information is useless without a theoretical frame work to fit it in?

 

[IdleRich]

Again, havent read this, but dying my hair has always been a 'for me' thing. Makes me feel more comtorable in my skin. Not that one doesnt communicate with oneself or my perception of self isnt formed in communication with others, nor that dying my hair doesnt have 'meaning' outside of my intent....what Im saying is if your trying to insult me I reject the premise entirely

I think he's just trying to find a way to make his theory relevant to you and thus steer you towards reading it.

 

[sus]

Again, havent read this, but dying my hair has always been a 'for me' thing. Makes me feel more comtorable in my skin. Not that one doesnt communicate with oneself or my perception of self isnt formed in communication with others, nor that dying my hair doesnt have 'meaning' outside of my intent....what Im saying is if your trying to insult me I reject the premise entirely

No this is a lie you're telling yourself, I'm sorry