Incidental Remixes in DJ Sets

mvuent

Void Dweller
True that many of the best producers in jungle and hip-hop (and footwork!) have ‘DJ’ (or ‘RP’!) in their name. If we can look past the mendacity of the ‘DJ’ figure in more recent culture I think it lends an earnest, less auteurist ring to the ‘producer’. No “writing,” just transparently someone who stacks things, really well.
sometimes i think you can sort of tell if the person who made a track was primarily a dj. they tend to have this sort of ruthlessly architectural approach. an acute awareness of the four bar expectation structure and of what "landmarks" they want within the track. for example:


i don't hear any magic burst of inner inspiration here, just a calculated sequence of production tricks and blatantly borrowed hooks. but in a good way.
 

dilbert1

Well-known member
i don't hear any magic burst of inner inspiration here, just a calculated sequence of production tricks and blatantly borrowed hooks. but in a good way.

Yes exactly, its this much more modern and ‘dehumanized’ paradigm I really like, and the thrill of which makes part of me snark at everything outside of this today as conservative anachronism, weak because scared of this essentially faceless and cold utilitarian ethos. And yes I know its been like 40 years since it came into being music-wise, and maybe it signals the end of things more than a great beginning and so already reached its highest potentials, but all the more pathetic that it hasn’t registered for a large number of people, or my peers anyway. Take your fucking ‘band’ and shove it
 

dilbert1

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My sympathies for your maligned attempts here and previously, but it looks like you had the most knowledge in that area anyways re: early hip-hop electro. Lots of stuff to sink my teeth into, maybe I’ll find something you haven’t heard eventually but it wouldn’t be without your help! Also might just be of the nature of the era vs that of hardcore/jungle (no home computers, etc) that there is just comparatively less out there in terms of releases. But I’m at ground zero basically so not to be discouraged.
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
Yes exactly, its this much more modern and ‘dehumanized’ paradigm I really like, and the thrill of which makes part of me snark at everything outside of this today as conservative anachronism, weak because scared of this essentially faceless and cold utilitarian ethos. And yes I know its been like 40 years since it came into being music-wise, and maybe it signals the end of things more than a great beginning and so already reached its highest potentials, but all the more pathetic that it hasn’t registered for a large number of people, or my peers anyway. Take your fucking ‘band’ and shove it
fair but try getting girls out to your dehumanized faceless utilitarian ethos
 

dilbert1

Well-known member
sometimes i think you can sort of tell if the person who made a track was primarily a dj. they tend to have this sort of ruthlessly architectural approach. an acute awareness of the four bar expectation structure and of what "landmarks" they want within the track.

Another thing this points to is there’s a recogntion of and subordination to a specific shared context over and above one’s own uniqueness. Its part of the goal to get your stuff to sound like that of everyone else around you, in the sense of a conscious standardization. You’re not so precious, so no wonder you might carelessly run through 12 different pseudonyms in a year. Still, a banger’s a banger, and not to say your shit can’t have “personality,” but again, its subordinate to the proper venue of its exhibition, which is not you ‘performing’ (and performatively taking credit for) it, but it being absorbed into a contiguous, almost undifferentiated mass. This totally different end-point dictates everything that happens up to it
 

dilbert1

Well-known member
The ladies were out and feeling jungle for a time if I’m not mistaken! Time and place I’m sure, and I think it has to do more with content than form. But male domination of hip-hop and the dance music it has the strongest formal influence on is real, point taken
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
I knew despite luka’s genuinely amusing contrarian venom he loves Hype and so my submitted example would strike his weak spot. Loving something so much you hate it, or, because you know better, see it for what it truly is — in this case vulgar trash made by and for brain-damaged fools masquerading as “culture” — is a logical position to me

nah I just think he's the ShitBrit archetype. nothing really substantive to get angry about so he just gets angry at everything. It's a bad habit, a compelling case for why taliban have the right idea about drugs.
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
was just listening to the "last act" of this again and it really did not disappoint. proof that attention to detail can be kept up at the uppermost intensity.
interesting. i had to look up a track featured in third's mix, and...



who is it by? well, probably some european freak you've never heard of, all of you but thirdform might say... but look closer...

THAT'S RIGHT IT'S "THE LAST TRUE FAMILY MAN" OF MINNEAPOLIS HIMSELF LOCAL BOY FREDDY FRESH!!!!!!!!!

MIDWEST CULTURE MAFIA WINS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

mvuent

Void Dweller
My sympathies for your maligned attempts here and previously, but it looks like you had the most knowledge in that area anyways re: early hip-hop electro. Lots of stuff to sink my teeth into, maybe I’ll find something you haven’t heard eventually but it wouldn’t be without your help! Also might just be of the nature of the era vs that of hardcore/jungle (no home computers, etc) that there is just comparatively less out there in terms of releases. But I’m at ground zero basically so not to be discouraged.
i don't really have any knowledge of this stuff, just trawl through youtube looking for it sometimes. tbf it's hard to learn much more about this side of early hip hop as it's basically been written out of history. forgotten. agreed that there doesn't seem to be all that much of it either. bumping this thread since you mentioned buffalo gals and i just re-listened to this and it was really good:

 
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