Explain to an american how lizz truss resigning can happen

[linebaugh]

I know her tax policies wer bad. We dont need to go over that. My confusion is that here in america no sitting president is going to resign over tax law. How does this happen in the uk?

 

[IdleRich]

Basically she had to abandon everything that she stood and was gonna do the opposite, on so there was a case to be made that she had no mandate to be in charge. Also she's a fucking idiot.

 

[linebaugh]

For one biden would never lose support of the party. And two for a tax policy to be understood as bad by the public it would have to be something ridiculous like a goverment mandate that every citizen pay 1000 bucks a month tax to support hunter bidens painting career

 

[linebaugh]

Basically she had to abandon everything that she stood and was gonna do the opposite, on so there was a case to be made that she had no mandate to be in charge. Also she's a fucking idiot.

No this is not the awnser were looking for. I know she did a bad job. How does doing a bad job lead to resiging though? This wouldnt happen in america. Whats the difference between the two systems

 

[IdleRich]

Not a bad job, she was gonna have to do the exact opposite of what she promised to win the role, that made her position untenable (arguably).

 

[linebaugh]

Not a bad job, she was gonna have to do the exact opposite of what she promised to win the role, that made her position untenable (arguably).

How can she do that? Does the pm have that kind of power? Biden cant suddenly turn away from his purported plan because everything is filtered through the party to begin with.

 

[IdleRich]

Also she never really had the support of the parliamentary party - she lost their vote but won on the members. This is often a problem like with Corbyn who was popular with members but not the party so struggled to run it on a daily basis.

 

[WashYourHands]

Internal and external pressure = untenable position

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Correct me if I'm wrong British people but

They don't have separation of powers like we do. The PM is just the leader of whichever party wins general election, not a separate election like President here. So 1) PM can resign and be replaced by another member of party i.e. Tories will now have an internal leadership election 2) if a PM is so personally/politically unpopular they can't carry out agenda, it makes sense to do that. Party >> party leader basically.

 

[linebaugh]

Also she never really had the support of the parliamentary party - she lost their vote but won on the members. This is often a problem like with Corbyn who was popular with members but not the party so struggled to run it on a daily basis.

Ok so this can all be blamed on a more varied organization of political parties in the UK?

 

[linebaugh]

Part of the reason this would never happen in america is because of how rigid the two party system is

 

[IdleRich]

How can she do that? Does the pm have that kind of power? Biden cant suddenly turn away from his purported plan because everything is filtered through the party to begin with.

Yes basically she does. She won the leadership and appointed a new chancellor, together they announced a plan which the market hated so she u-turned and sacked the chancellor, then she u-turned on several other points, ultimately meaning her only option was to abandon what she stood on - cos it was dumb.

 

[linebaugh]

Again if the dems passed bad tax law they hide/obsfucate its effects, blame republicans and whatever geopolitical situation is happening, then quietly lose the next election. Why doesnt the uk do this?

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

His confusion is bc only reason American president would ever resign is to avoid impeachment i.e. Nixon, never bc of unpopularity

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Again if the dems passed bad tax law they hide/obsfucate its effects, blame republicans and whatever geopolitical situation is happening, then quietly lose the next election. Why doesnt the uk do this?

See above

And also bc they can replace PM with someone who can better carry out party agenda, which American parties can't do

Dems couldn't be like Biden is unpopular, pressure him to resign and just replace him w/someone. If president resigns there is strict order of succession, not internal party leadership election.

 

[linebaugh]

Thats part of it yes. Im also confused as to how a member can get to so high a position while being unpopular, and how a pm can have the power to pass a law that her party would hate? Wasnt it approved by the party itself?

 

[IdleRich]

Correct me if I'm wrong British people but

They don't have separation of powers like we do. The PM is just the leader of whichever party wins general election, not a separate election like President here. So 1) PM can resign and be replaced by another member of party i.e. Tories will now have an internal leadership election 2) if a PM is so personally/politically unpopular they can't carry out agenda, it makes sense to do that. Party >> party leader basically.

Yep sounds right.
And the problem is that brexit has ruptured politics and the tory part I guess hence all this constant replacing etc

 

[linebaugh]

I cant imagine either political party in america ever turning on their elected leader

 

[IdleRich]

Again if the dems passed bad tax law they hide/obsfucate its effects, blame republicans and whatever geopolitical situation is happening, then quietly lose the next election. Why doesnt the uk do this?

She coulda held her nerve and tried that, but she bottled it.

 

[linebaugh]

Why do british parties have the liberty to just up and announce they hate their guy?