Who Killed JFK?

Leo

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Didn't they then bring him back to life and say the last two years worth of episodes were a dream?

That was different, when JR's brother Bobby was supposedly killed off at the end of a season and then reappeared at the end of the following season.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
That was different, when JR's brother Bobby was supposedly killed off at the end of a season and then reappeared at the end of the following season.

Is that right? I've never seen the programme but when I was at uni I used to go out with this girl and she told me that in Dallas there was a bit when they killed JR and then for ages there was the mystery, and then the mystery was solved, and viewing figures slumped and so they brought the most popular character, which was JR, back to the show by having him coming out of the shower and not getting shot and everything in-between was a dream.,

So I've never ever seen the programme but I have "known" one thing about it for twenty something years. And it was wrong. Thanks a lot Tamsin.
 

sufi

lala
Is that right? I've never seen the programme but when I was at uni I used to go out with this girl and she told me that in Dallas there was a bit when they killed JR and then for ages there was the mystery, and then the mystery was solved, and viewing figures slumped and so they brought the most popular character, which was JR, back to the show by having him coming out of the shower and not getting shot and everything in-between was a dream.,

So I've never ever seen the programme but I have "known" one thing about it for twenty something years. And it was wrong. Thanks a lot Tamsin.
who shot jr was the moment soap took over/overtook reality
 
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padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
btw for anyone looking for a "fun" answer, you could do worse than American Tabloid by James Ellroy

it's the first in a trilogy covering the American transition from the square-jawed, conformist 50s naivete on thru to the sideburn cynicism of the early 70s, via the medium of underworld mythology. never read the last two books, which cover I guess MLK, RFK, Vietnam, etc, but American Tabloid is all the greatest hits - CIA, Cuban exiles, mafia, Teamsters, Hoover, Howard Hughes - done up in that inimitable Ellroy style

a truly insufferable person (or persona, unclear) but he knows what he's about. discussing the second book in trilogy
What you have in The Cold Six Thousand — which covers the years '63 to '68 — is that last gasp of pre-public-accountability America where the anti-communist mandate justified virtually any action. And it wasn't Kennedy's death that engendered mass skepticism. It was the protracted horror of the Vietnamese war.
which as I said above, is true. LBJ's Vietnam credibility gap was the original alternative facts.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
So I've never ever seen the programme but I have "known" one thing about it for twenty something years. And it was wrong. Thanks a lot Tamsin.

Though she was younger than me so I dunno how she could have seen it. Why did I believe her? Why am I such as trusting and innocent person? Always my weak spot, being too nice.

The first thing I said was I don't know.

Sorry missed it.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
But seems I was wrong I was almost certain there would be loads of people who were certain it wasn't LHO on his own, but not one person actually thinks that. Fair enough, now I know.
 

version

Warehouse Operative
I know people who absolutely believe it wasn't just Oswald or that Oswald was a patsy. They also don't believe Sirhan was RFK's shooter or willingly shot RFK and that OKC wasn't just McVeigh.

There are a bunch of books that get recommended whenever this stuff comes up.

JFK and the unspeakable: Why he died and why it matters, James W. Douglass
Aberration in the Heartland of the Real: The Secret Lives of Timothy McVeigh, Wendy S. Painting
The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, David Talbot
Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty..., Russ Baker
 

william_kent

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feeling nostalgic: when I was a kid I had a copy of the Jackdaw Assassination of JFK kit:

This Jackdaw — originally published in England in 1967 before the facts could become blurred or adjusted by the passage of time — offers students a unique opportunity to handle and analyze documentary evidence, including a full size reproduction of the alleged weapon, F.B.I. photographs and eyewitness autopsy report, official Warren Commission exhibits, excerpts from Jacqueline Kennedy’s testimony to the Warren Commission, and a full-color model of Dealey Plaza. The documents are sure to inspire lively classroom debate and help students form their own hypotheses and opinions.

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it came with a cardboard pop model of Dealy Plaza - you were supposed to attach a piece of thread to the top floor window of the Book Depository and play with the trajectories

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it also came with a fold out of the Manlicher-carcano rifle and an "unanswered questions" sheet which encouraged young children to query the official Warren Report version of events

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The US Embassy was really pissed off about the publication of this educational material for children

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One of my favourite childhood possessions... I've still got it in a cupboard somewhere....
 

version

Warehouse Operative
How do you think that jury made up of putrid mass
Embraced theory of triangle bullet lines
Turning in circles twice
Then incredible, marvelous, exiting back of mind?

[...]

Decent lawyer fishes in buckskin hat
Raccoons drown beneath his embarking mass
When he sees CIA shit flying over head fast
Goody goody looks up
In cloudless sky enhancing theory of zig-zag bulletline

 

william_kent

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I'm drunk enough, and being a thoroughly rum soaked sarcastic dickhead, to express my puzzlement about the differences between the UK anarcho punk scene and the US equivalent...

when I used to hang around with ( UK based ) squatters, crass style anarcho punks, new age travellers and the like, there would have been no argument if you ventured the notion that LHO was a patsy and that a secret cabal plotted to remove a head of state... that's par for the course in the UK ( Wilson Plot, etc., we know it goes on ) , but I sort of learnt from when a, sadly deceased, friend of mine visited New York and I asked him to pick up a copy of Peter Dale's Scott's Deep Politics II for me, and he enquired in a supposedly radical bookshop ( pierced penis pictures in the window,Modern Primitive RE/Search style ) and he almost got thrown out on the spot, that questioning authority in the US is a preserve of the right, whereas in the UK we seem a little more open minded and across the board with our disbelief of those in power?

you can see in a post above that my favourite childhood toy was a cardboard cutout of Dealy Plaza and the only way the trajectories and the head snap ( "magic bullet" ) made sense to me was if the kill shots came from the Grassy Knoll

just having my fun, y'all
 
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william_kent

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still having fun...

one of my favourite theories is that Oswald was a shit shot, and he missed, killing JFK instead of the real target, Governor Connally, who he only wounded with the "magic bullet"
 

william_kent

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I also like the theory that on the day there were at least five sets of shooters, all confused by the presence of the others - the "lone nutter" in the Book Depository, the three CIA "tramps" ( super spy E. Howard Hunt & co ) on the grassy knoll, New Orleans Mafia dude on the flyover, anti-Castro cuban guy poking up from the drain cover, and the "Umbrella Man" with his Soviet poison darts...
 

luka

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I'm drunk enough, and being a thoroughly rum soaked sarcastic dickhead, to express my puzzlement about the differences between the UK anarcho punk scene and the US equivalent...

when I used to hang around with ( UK based ) squatters, crass style anarcho punks, new age travellers and the like, there would have been no argument if you ventured the notion that LHO was a patsy and that a secret cabal plotted to remove a head of state... that's par for the course in the UK ( Wilson Plot, etc., we know it goes on ) , but I sort of learnt from when a, sadly deceased, friend of mine visited New York and I asked him to pick up a copy of Peter Dale's Scott's Deep Politics II for me, and he enquired in a supposedly radical bookshop ( pierced penis pictures in the window,Modern Primitive RE/Search style ) and he almost got thrown out on the spot, that questioning authority in the US is a preserve of the right, whereas in the UK we seem a little more open minded and across the board with our disbelief of those in power?

you can see in a post above that my favourite childhood toy was a cardboard cutout of Dealy Plaza and the only way the trajectories and the head snap ( "magic bullet" ) made sense to me was if the kill shots came from the Grassy Knoll

just having my fun, y'all
theres a new(ish) censorial attitude to conspiracy (admittedly for obvious and understandable reasons) like i couldnt beleive how hysterical the tone of this was, like, lighten up bro https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...calypse-is-the-most-dangerous-show-on-netflix
 
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