Dudes vs Lads Fri 25th Nov 1900 uk time joint telly watch

[IdleRich]

that seems crazy, when you think about it. when time runs out, it should be game over, right?

I guess that originally they couldn't measure time that accurately so we're happy for ref to overule.

 

[jenks]

No 1 son is in a bar in Austin. Match finished and they blare out Born in the USA - bar joins in, unironically

 

[Leo]

I guess that originally they couldn't measure time that accurately so we're happy for ref to overule.

Maybe that's sort of like baseball home plate umpires still calling balls and strikes themselves, unaided by instant reply. There's something to be said for human decision making, the wild card of human judgment and possible blown calls changing the outcome of a game.

OTOH, there's also a school of thought that just because a game originated in a previous century shouldn't mean it doesn't adapt to later technological advances.

 

[IdleRich]

I guess that originally they couldn't measure time that accurately so we're happy for ref to overule.

That's what I've always assumed, may be totally untrue

 

[IdleRich]

Maybe that's sort of like baseball home plate umpires still calling balls and strikes themselves, unaided by instant reply. There's something to be said for human decision making, the wild card of human judgment and possible blown calls changing the outcome of a game.

OTOH, there's also a school of thought that just because a game originated in a previous century shouldn't mean it doesn't adapt to later technological advances.

Football is in a kinda half and half situation with var attempting to impose objectivity on a thing which many accept can never be judged in that way.

 

[IdleRich]

Like there are some decisions where they watch it fifty times in super slomo from countless angles and can't agree. I think football should accept that and just aim to stamp out obvious refereeing cock-ups... whether you let timekeeping stay in the realm of subjective is moot.

 

[IdleRich]

It used to be accepted that if one team had the ball and was attacking the ref would let it play until ball went out rather than blow for the end even if time had elapsed.

 

[Leo]

It used to be accepted that if one team had the ball and was attacking the ref would let it play until ball went out rather than blow for the end even if time had elapsed.

that would never be tolerated in basketball, hockey or US football. Here, it would just mean the attacking team needs to get their shot off sooner than they'd ideally like to in order to beat the clock.

 

[IdleRich]

In football there is no clock on display for them to beat. It's just a different way of doing things. I quite like this almost artificial excitement a countdown generates but it's never been part of football culture.

 

[Leo]

Where do they draw the line? Let's say time is about to expire and a team is on the attack. someone takes a shot and the goalie blocks it and the ball stays in play...is the match over on that blocked shot? Or does the attacking team also get a chance to take another shot off the rebound?

 

[IdleRich]

For me it's not a problem that football has a slight looseness to it, a kinda 'let the ref do what he feels' element to it. It would also not be a problem for them to be totally objective with var and more rigorous timekeeping if they decided to do it that way. What I don't like is the mixture they have with a bit of both.

 

[Leo]

also, many people would argue that a countdown clock is the furthest thing from artificial excitement. it's the ultimate arbiter that the game is over.

 

[IdleRich]

Where do they draw the line? Let's say time is about to expire and a team is on the attack. someone takes a shot and the goalie blocks it and the ball stays in play...is the match over on that blocked shot? Or does the attacking team also get a chance to take another shot off the rebound?

Up to the ref really... i don't think it was ever really official policy anyway.

I've noticed in basketball a lot of people argue about whether something was a double dribble or travelling or whatever... it seems there is an element of subjectivity that sits uncomfortably with millisecond timekeeping

 

[IdleRich]

also, many people would argue that a countdown clock is the furthest thing from artificial excitement. it's the ultimate arbiter that the game is over.

Yeah artificial was the wrong word but it's this sort of automatic built in crowd exciter thing. I'm not meaning to criticise here by the way, part of me would prefer it in football. Especially now they have taken timekeeping away from refs... leaving the halfway house type thing I'm moaning about.

 

[Leo]

to be clear, I'm not in favor of one way or the other. I too like the human judgment element of your football. just trying to understand the criteria, as vague as it may be.

 

[WashYourHands]

80’s kit look, respect to the US for pressing, harassing and pushing on, could be a cracker against the Persians

 

[Clinamenic]

People can tie in soccer right? Lame, sad. Also presently drunk.

 

[IdleRich]

80’s kit look, respect to the US for pressing, harassing and pushing on, could be a cracker against the Persians

Against Wales the US press was deadly, the Welsh simply couldn't play out through it and they had to resort to booting it out mindlessly again and again. Should have been a warning for England.

 

[IdleRich]

People can tie in soccer right? Lame, sad. Also presently drunk.

You can draw in pretty much any proper sport.

 

[craner]