Big Mood: Peli's theory of vibe

[craner]

Some mathematical vibe construction right here:

 

[sus]

Craner is actually reading the piece and probably feels very proud of himself, as he should

Everyone else who is free-associating on the word "vibe" should feel very ashamed

 

[mvuent]

Some mathematical vibe construction right here:

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was trying to figure out why that annoyed me so much. i think it's that his prose just isn't quite interesting enough for him to be issuing out little disclaimers like that. for my fellow muricans it would be like if someone came up to you wearing a minecraft tshirt, walmart cargo shorts, and new balances, and was like yeah i'm still trying to figure out which socks would go best with this fit.

 

[shakahislop]

it's come to us from jamaica right, the word 'vibes'? it's an incredibly useful word and i can't think of many equivalents. the vibes. the energy. describes something really important that goes on between people. bonhomie is a bit similar i spose.

 

[sus]

I think mood and energy have served similar functions altho I'm in agreement it's a good word

What I can't comprehend are these accusations of bad prose. The first two pages are a bit clunky and overloaded but after that it opens up beautifully and really breathes. I know Mvuent is a close careful listener and wouldn't be making sweeping statements based on a couple paragraphs, though.

 

[sus]

If this theory is correct it might mean, among other things, that pure melody could conceivably be called representational, and have further ramifications for our theories of worldbuilding

 

[Clinamenic]

If this theory is correct it might mean, among other things, that pure melody could conceivably be called representational, and have further ramifications for our theories of worldbuilding

Representational… of a mood/energy the composer was trying to convey?

 

[craner]

What I can't comprehend are these accusations of bad prose. The first two pages are a bit clunky and overloaded but after that it opens up beautifully and really breathes. I know Mvuent is a close careful listener and wouldn't be making sweeping statements based on a couple paragraphs, though.

I do hope you haven’t invested any capital in this project.

 

[sus]

Representational… of a mood/energy the composer was trying to convey?

Yes but that mood itself is representational. That's the key. Think about how mood tracks metaphorical weather. The way that hope gleams on a new dawn and despair rolls in with storm clouds. Mood is an orientation to the world which encodes a set of predictions. Is this landscape fertile and supportive of life. Or is it a hellscape, death and stagnant water. How does a painting make you feel. When your prospects look up suddenly, a stroke of fortune, how does that make you feel. When anxiety gnaws and edges in. Anxiety itself is representation of how the world is, and how one ought to behave in it. So is happiness, blinding and light, which says be merry and do not worry, you're safe now.

 

[Clinamenic]

Ah I see, so mood is a sort of impression-like representation of the world, and mood can be further represented by a message.

 

[Benny Bunter]

'Vibe' is an embarrassing word to use in the context of poetry. It doesn't really mean anything does it, it's just a vague word you resort to when you can't explain a feeling. Everyone uses it sometimes obviously but trying to theorise about it or mathematicise it or whatever seems very very silly. And why would you even want to?

 

[Clinamenic]

I think in certain ways the term 'atmosphere" may apply instead, if we're talking about cultural/subcultural milieus and the aggregate impressions made by their aesthetics/values/tastes.

 

[Clinamenic]

Personally I find this flavor of theory interesting precisely because it is seemingly trying to systematize something which in character often seems much more spontaneous than systematic.

The autist auditing the niche volksgeist.

 

[Clinamenic]

And it could become even more interesting in light of hyperstition: if there emerges a popular theory of vibe engineering, artists and other cultural figures may actually practice it, thus reifying the theory into a viable praxis.

 

[Benny Bunter]

There is no grand theory of poetry.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Read the poetry itself or even great critics, something that will light you up, I don't think you can get it from some dry essay.

 

[Benny Bunter]

Celan had his thing of 'threadsuns' (plural) there is no one sun, no grand theory, no absolute centre.

 

[Clinamenic]

Oh I don't mean poetry in particular, I mean more the manufacturing of culture in a broader sense. But ultimately I agree, theory can't replace stuff like flow and intuition.

Threadsuns sound like rhizomes.

 

[Benny Bunter]

I'll look up a quote I read about threadsuns tomorrow when I get the chance, don't have the book with me now.

I think grand systematic theory is always going to struggle to explain individual artistic genius, cos they're always one step ahead

 

[Clinamenic]

I'll look up a quote I read about threadsuns tomorrow when I get the chance, don't have the book with me now.

I think grand systematic theory is always going to struggle to explain individual artistic genius, cos they're always one step ahead

True, and I think part of that genius has to do with subverting whatever the prevailing grand theory is, anyway. As you say, one step ahead.