Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I read about a quarter of War and Peace - I didn't enjoy it as I should have because I was trying to read the whole thing in a week for university and I choked on it. But I will say that Tolstoy - and W&P especially - has a forbidding reputation but he's actually both easy and fun to read. If you're into his style (such as it survives translation) you will probably not be able to get enough of it.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Right now I'm reading Hopscotch and it's kinda pissing me off. Having looked into it more closely it seems that there are ninety something chapters, the first 56 or so you can read in the order they're written and they will give you a complete story. And you can stop there. Or you can read all the chapters in a kind of bizarre order he suggests in the front which jumps around through the same story but loads of detail by including the extra hundred or so chapters that you won't touch if you simply use method one. Or I think that you can read them in your own order if you like.
Thing is, it feels that, to get the most out of the book you should read it by method one and then method two and then possibly your own method as well. And i just can't see myself doing that. It's taken me ages to get a hundred pages in and that is partly because, although there is some good writing in there, you can sort of see that he's built it up out of unrelated segments with each chapter carefully avoiding referring to events in previous chapters in any but the most general terms, so that the chapter could be uprooted and placed elsewhere. It makes it a difficult read.
Some of it is good and I'm continually impressed by the level of learning and reading of all the main characters - often happens with literature written around that time, especially South American, at one point I really believed that everyone in Argentina or whatever was constantly travelling around with huge baskets of experimental literature and arguing about them with each other on the train or bus - but at the same time some of the attitudes are startling old-fashioned, which seems really jarring in such a Modern book.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Cortazar? I liked a lot of his short stories. And this one I'm having a bit of a love/hate relationship with. There is definitely a lot there.... but it's frustrating and it's taking me ages to get through it.
 

jenks

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i missed the 'dont you read any books by women' controversey but woops wrote to me saying it was like being accused of being a rapist and Craner was not too impressed either.
I just asked the question. It’s a fair question. Not quite sure why people get defensive.
 

jenks

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I enjoyed Vanity Fair a lot... like Jenks says, big kinda sweep to it and you have one of the most famous anti-heroines. I'd suggest though that Middlemarch might be a better choice than any on that list. Plus you can add it your "books read by women" list.
Middlemarch sits head and shoulders above most novels of the nineteenth century. I think said it was the first novel for grown ups (or words to that effect.) Yeah - read that, then read Vanity Fair.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
There's a word missing.... who said it was the first novel for grown ups?
Not that I disagree - I mean, I don't know enough about what came before to say that - but certainly it's pretty much the masterpiece of its era.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I think the missing word must be 'I' because anything jenks says about books is true by definition. He's read every book that's ever been written and probably one or two that haven't.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
I could be "I" or another important authority such as "Craner"... but then again it could be a more minor figure such as... I don't know, Harold Bloom, or something. The sentence would still work.
 

jenks

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There's a word missing.... who said it was the first novel for grown ups?
Not that I disagree - I mean, I don't know enough about what came before to say that - but certainly it's pretty much the masterpiece of its era.
I think Woolf was doing her usual - praising and denigrating at the same time - she approved of what is essentially a middle class novel of ideas over the grubby world of Dickens. She’s both right and wrong, obviously.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Sadly, I think to ever read Middlemarch I'll have to go on a two week trip to some remote place with no WiFi or mobile coverage, with only some clothes and Middlemarch in my suitcase.
 

catalog

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Yeah I used to love tom sawyer when I was a kid, tho only the penguin classics, I never read the unabridged version. I did read huck finn relatively recently, gotta say I was a bit disappointed. There's this classic bit with a character called buck harness, but apart from that it wears pretty thin quite quick...
 
Had Sarah Schulman's The Gentrification of the Mind sat on my shelf for a while, finally cracked it over the weekend. Clear-eyed and persuasively written, but easy as it is to read stylistically the mounting bleakness of lost communities and individuals alike is hard to get through at times. Interesting that she's as frank with the critique of culture during-and-after AIDs as she is with some of the work of her lost peers (there's a stretch that acts as both an obituary for a particular friend and a regrettable admission that is writing wasn't that good).
 
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