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Dutch angle... feel I should - or in fact that I actually did at one point - know what this term meant but it's gone. So please tell me (again).
It's an angled shot, think The Third Man.

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WebEschatology

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I've become a Nic Cage admirer as of late, in both a sincere capacity (Pig) and in an ironic capacity (The Vampire's Kiss).
he's always been a genuinly good actor its just the fact that he became a meme really got in the way of this

Cage's problem is that no matter how stupid the role is he'll always give 110% not only that but he's the only actor i can think of who'll refference silent movie acting and incorporate that in as part of his style
 

Clinamenic

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he's always been a genuinly good actor its just the fact that he became a meme really got in the way of this

Cage's problem is that no matter how stupid the role is he'll always give 110% not only that but he's the only actor i can think of who'll refference silent movie acting and incorporate that in as part of his style
Yeah really expressive facially, almost absurdly. Now that you say it, it does remind me of some comic silent villains like Mack Swain.

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shakahislop

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i wouldn't recommend it unreservedly, actually i'd have a lot of reservations, most people probably shouldn't waste their time on it, but i got a lot out of watching memoria last night. it was in some ways incredibly boring, but i found the experience of sitting there watching so little happen kind of thought provoking - it took my mind down a few channels that it wouldn't normally find. memories from a decade ago that i'd forgotten, for example.
 

WebEschatology

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i wouldn't recommend it unreservedly, actually i'd have a lot of reservations, most people probably shouldn't waste their time on it, but i got a lot out of watching memoria last night. it was in some ways incredibly boring, but i found the experience of sitting there watching so little happen kind of thought provoking - it took my mind down a few channels that it wouldn't normally find. memories from a decade ago that i'd forgotten, for example.
such a sterling reccomendation "most people probably shouldn't waste their time on it" "in some ways its incredibly boring"

honestly i thought Memoria was amazing even with the twist that i know some people might find a leap too far
 

WebEschatology

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@shakahislop sounds like you need to engage with "slow cinema" some more, movies like Weerasethakul's are only "boring" in the sense that they have very deliberate pacing, very little action happening on screen and emphasising mood,texture and developing characters through movement rather than plot and dialogue
 

shakahislop

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@shakahislop sounds like you need to engage with "slow cinema" some more, movies like Weerasethakul's are only "boring" in the sense that they have very deliberate pacing, very little action happening on screen and emphasising mood,texture and developing characters through movement rather than plot and dialogue
i'd like to see more of that kind of thing actually. i liked it, found it thought provoking - by which i mean i genuinely ended up thinking about things i don't normally think about. which is helped by the fact that you have static ten minute shots of a dead person obviously, as there's nothing much to take up your attention. it was great walking home across downtown nyc after that, visual senses very much heightened, looking at everything (which was interesting actually as obviously nyc has very filmic qualities)

think i'd have to watch it in the cinema though. at home i'd go and do something else or look at my phone, if it weren't for the peer pressure of the cinema that would have been what i'd have done for memoria
 

WebEschatology

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i'd like to see more of that kind of thing actually. i liked it, found it thought provoking - by which i mean i genuinely ended up thinking about things i don't normally think about. which is helped by the fact that you have static ten minute shots of a dead person obviously, as there's nothing much to take up your attention. it was great walking home across downtown nyc after that, visual senses very much heightened, looking at everything (which was interesting actually as obviously nyc has very filmic qualities)

think i'd have to watch it in the cinema though. at home i'd go and do something else or look at my phone, if it weren't for the peer pressure of the cinema that would have been what i'd have done for memoria
big man like you sill supseptible to peer pressure, maybe its just cause i tend to do things by myself but yeah this isn't the case for me, as far as watching it home you'll just have to switch the phone off and lock it in a cabinet or something it still sounds like you're caught up in the speed of everything

but here somebody i used to follow on twitter made a site dedicated to their interest on the style https://theartsofslowcinema.com/

also don't worry about falling asleep during the film, the directors of these kind of films consider that a compliment
 

WebEschatology

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Weerasethakul, Tsai Ming-Liang,Edward Yang,Pedro Costa,Kelly Reichardt,Lav Diaz are some of the notable names

i suppose Bergman,Tarkovsy,Ozu,Dreyer and that lot are progeniters of slow cinema
 

Clinamenic

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Or Chantal Akerman maybe. I've only seen Les Rendez-vous d'Anna, but I gather her style is incisive, melancholic and minimal.
 

DLaurent

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Mr brother bought me a Columbia Pictures Film Noir Classic 1 box set for my birthday that has a few good ones on there like The Line Up, but the standout for me was Murder By Contract about a hitman who stumbles when he has to kill a woman. A good potboiler for a noir addict like myself... I've watched so many of them in the last two years I'm getting diminishing returns in the quality of ones I find to watch. Murder By Contract is introduced by Scorsese, it has a few short scenes towards the start that influenced Taxi Driver working out in his room.
 

IdleRich

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Weerasethakul, Tsai Ming-Liang,Edward Yang,Pedro Costa,Kelly Reichardt,Lav Diaz are some of the notable names

i suppose Bergman,Tarkovsy,Ozu,Dreyer and that lot are progeniters of slow cinema

Nice synchronicity for me here in that two of these directors were recommended to me by the barman at The Salon des Amateurs the other day, he sent me a message too to make sure

edward yang films
Ming liang tsai‘s films
Both are amazing

When I was a better person I used to have a rule that if two different reputable sources recommended something in close succession then I really ought to act on it. I really probably should try and resurrect that rule shouldn't I....

What about Bi Gan, would he also fit in with these guys? Gotta say that this is something I'm quite ignorant of - ok Weerasethakul is fairly well known and I am aware of Pedro Costa, but until a few days ago I had literally never heard of Yang or Ming-Liang.

 

IdleRich

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We were very struck by Gan's film Kali Blues; possibly this was at least in part due to the fact that it was day after some big party. I can't remember if we were just hungover and washed out, or if we were just sort of still on it and fading, but I do remember just lying slumped, half zonked out and it suited our mood perfectly,




Later we watched his next film Long Day's Journey Into Night which was also cool but cos we saw it at home we didn't get the full effect of the second half of the film which is a single shot in 3d which lasts almost an hour.

 
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