Hauntology

fokse vektaire xeven

fokse vektaire xeven

Arab Nazi
swears said:
I was just kidding around because the category seems so vague, you could probably throw almost anything in there.
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I like this as an avenue of aesthetic self justification, it can be shoehorned into a less ego driven post-modernism- instead of shoring yr fragments against yr ruins yr...HAUNTED ;)

anyway...

while this has nothing to do with Derrida or Deleuze, for the hauntologically inclined this christmas, some kind person has upped 4 of the excellent bbc MR James adaptations here:

http://www.stage6.com/user/cornology/videos/

the adaptation of "The Treasure Of Abbot Thomas" was entirely new to me...

also there's a fantastic essay on james in the latest English Heretic publication...was interested to see Burial namecheck James in the Wire interview.

noel emits said:
Did anyone mention Rentaghost? If you grew up in the UK in the 70s there is indeed something a bit Haunto about those clips on youtube.
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http://www.stage6.com/British-cult-tv/video/1691839/Rentaghost-S01E01

"Nah, Mr. Claypole was the geezer, not the talking stick..."
 
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Steve1

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Yeah,i agree.I think the really interesting thing here is the "half-erased" notion; I had thought of Ariel Pink in conjunction with Ghost Box not as echoes of the past so much as a half-formed present, something in-between. Like dub, in certain ways.
 
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Aww Nein

Wild Palms
yeah, the second film was genuinly hypnotic. the first film was good also, shame they played it nearly 4 times in a row...

i thought the talk was pretty engaging, dunno how much it went beyond the blog posts though. the main thing that i got out of it (apart form a clarification of the term) was how there seemed to be this schism between kpunks view, which was pretty rooted in political and social concepts, and rouges foam's view, which seemed much more formal and about aesthetics, highlighted by the fact that he saw this genre going back hundreds of years (i wasnt familiar with the earliest composers he mentioned but got the feeling the were more classical/romantic or such, certainly that it wasnt a "zeitgeist" concept or genre in any way).

id have to say id side more with hauntology needing this non-formal element as without it, to me, it becomes kinda indistinguishable from much "gothic" artwork, especially since Rouges Foam's description of hauntological art as being an ideal which is obfuscated and other ideas of the relic-like qualitys of hauntological work to me sound like the gothic aesthetics of decay/delapidation, and the gothic technique of the "book within a book", found letters/found film that is designed to offer a sort of fake authenticity to ghost stories and such.

made me wanna write a blog though, really good night! Moon Wiring Club were good also
 
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massrock

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Good stuff, thanks.

I'm afraid I couldn't hear the talk that well having arrived quite late and hovering by the bar, though the beer was very nice indeed. What I managed to hear did sound like territory that had been gone over in various blog writings quite a bit but I caught snatches of interesting stuff. Was just kind of good to get a sense of a group of people trying to feel their way through this idea and if it meant anything at all.

It was a nice event anyway. Spent the remainder of the evening dancing to somewhat cheesy disco and house which made for a nice counterpoint.
 
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Diggedy Derek

Stray Dog
It was recorded, and I think it'll be either broadcast on Resonance FM or archived on The Wire's website. Will try and keep you updated.

Glad people enjoyed it. It started a little stiffly, I think, not surprising as everyone was outlining their own particular take on the idea. I ended up feeling very non-nostalgic, very forward looking about the whole thing, if that makes sense.

I tend to gravitate more to the Rouge's Foam position than K Punk's. Partly because, although I like the Ghost Box stuff a lot, somehow it seems all a bit locked away in a distant, UK specific past.

As an aside, I still haven't figured out how Genesis can be hauntological.
 
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Aww Nein

Wild Palms
fair bit of conversation on this kind of thing...
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thought as a whole the night was full of a lot more content then most nights i go to, with the talk, films and gig all together. looking fwd to the next salon
 
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computer_rock

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Aww Nein said:
fair bit of conversation on this kind of thing...
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blissblogger

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mind_philip said:
Now that some time has passed, was hauntology in music really just sad electronica?
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I would say "no" - cos rather a lot of it was jaunty or idyllic. Some of it was even comedic.

And even the stuff that could be taken as downbeat or melancholy, I think the aim at least was to be eerie, unsettling, macabre, etc - as opposed to merely morose or gloomy.

Of course I could be mistaking your meaning here, and you mean sad as in "pathetic" - sad trousers, etc
 
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mind_philip

saw the light
I was being glib, but not insincere. But by "sad" I suppose I really mean... not optimistic. It doesn't seem coincidental that it was a largely electronic form (unless there's some hauntological jangle pop I'm unaware of). All the sounds of thrusting, forward-looking 80s electronica, recast as disappointment.
 
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