Grim Britannia

[vimothy]

blue labour seems like a reasonable project, pro 70s shabbiness

 

[vimothy]

got some traction here

 

[version]

Happy to say I don't know what they are although blue labour seems self explanatory.

Douglas Kear Murray (born 16 July 1979)[1] is a British conservative author and political commentator.[2] He founded the Centre for Social Cohesion in 2007, which became part of the Henry Jackson Society, where he was Associate Director from 2011 to 2018. He is also an associate editor of the British political and cultural magazine The Spectator.[3][4]

Murray has written columns for publications such as Standpoint and The Wall Street Journal. He is the author of Neoconservatism: Why We Need It (2005), Bloody Sunday: Truths, Lies and the Saville Inquiry (2011) about the Bloody Sunday Inquiry, The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam (2017), and The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity (2019).

He is described as a conservative,[5] neoconservative[6][7] and a critic of Islam.

 

[luka]

All a bunch of unattractive grifters

 

[vimothy]

critic of islam is a humble title

 

[vimothy]

contrary voices are useful tho arent they, the only question is whether the unthinkable things theyre thinking are really unthinkable

 

[vimothy]

or do you just end up with boring obvious shit on either side

 

[vimothy]

which unfortunately does seem to be where weve ended up. it was better in the 70s when elites were elitist and dissidents dissented. now weve got dissident elites and elitist dissidents and no one can make sense of it

 

[IdleRich]

contrary voices are useful tho arent they, the only question is whether the unthinkable things theyre thinking are really unthinkable

If they're thinking them then I'm gonna say probably not.

 

[WashYourHands]

Grim but fun - off season British seaside resort towns. Statistically some of the purest heroin, which equals more deaths, experiencing a resurgence since travel abroad faltered.

Case study - a reluctant weekend stag do in Blackpool, summer 1989. Terrible chips, c'mon you have to get that bit right. Proper northern lasses though, thousands of em. Arcades where it could kick off any second. Hotel room with blood stains. Listeria burger vans. Pounding fair grounds mc'd with 'hold tight for a super fast ride'. Too much sun, too much booze and the hippos boiled in their tanks. Mini-bus home. Stop at Burger King on the M6 and pay 14£ for a Whopper. Queasy waves of dehydration, bed bugs in your hair. Work in 6hrs and only just passed Preston. Two of us now have chlamydia but don't know it yet.

And their team plays in orange.

 

[IdleRich]

Isn't this exactly what Tea said in the sci-fi thread about how films fall down when they show some alien architecture which is beyond human understanding... soon as they show it they show it's not.

 

[vimothy]

I went to blackpool recently - during lockdown - and it was proper grim, a place out of time

 

[IdleRich]

it all moves so fast here these days you can't just respond cos something comes in-between

 

[version]

I've more or less tuned out politics entirely at this point.

If they're thinking them then I'm gonna say probably not.

Billy BoyBlue 9 months ago (edited)
Intelligent insights by thinking men---most people will not or cannot absorb this conversation

 

[luka]

or do you just end up with boring obvious shit on either side

If it's a question of just reversing the consensus then it's certainly not unthinkable.

 

[IdleRich]

I went to blackpool recently - during lockdown - and it was proper grim, a place out of time

For an eye test I trust?

 

[IdleRich]

I've more or less tuned out politics entirely at this point.

Billy BoyBlue 9 months ago (edited)
Intelligent insights by thinking men---most people will not or cannot absorb this conversation

Will not for me.

 

[vimothy]

I dont think the unthinkable is literally unthinkable, it's just stuff which sits outside your ideological range

 

[IdleRich]

anyone that considers themselves a rationalist. Or classical liberal.

Anyone who considers themselves an anything.

 

[IdleRich]

I dont think the unthinkable is literally unthinkable, it's just stuff which sits outside your ideological range

Is that another way of saying "stuff you disagree with"?