Why Conspiracy Theories?

[version]

he was jewish too though wasnt he?

He was.

 

[version]

Aren't there a bunch of people on the left who believe Jewish bankers, Israel etc are "The Enemy" though? That seems to be a case of running with Marxism and it leading into antisemitism.

 

[luka]

yep, loads and loads of them.

 

[luka]

doesnt mean Marx was wrong in and of itself and it doesn't mean there isn't an Adversary.

 

[version]

No, but it does mean his "conspiracy theory" eventually lead to antisemitism.

 

[luka]

i think you can take this too far tbh. it just serves the lizard people this line of reasoning if you ask me.

 

[version]

You've got Strasserism too.

 

[luka]

whats that say?

 

[constant escape]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Marx's dad converted to Judaism, I think even changing his name and all.

As to Marx's anti-semitism, I've heard it mentioned by people I would trust, but I haven't encountered it myself. Maybe there was some subtext in "On the Jewish Question" that I didn't pick up on, or maybe even explicit passages that I'm just not remembering.

 

[constant escape]

And perhaps we could argue that Marxism takes on more of a conspiratorial nature when adopted by academics, and after being thoroughly treated by them for a long enough time. Perhaps the kind of treatment that leads to capital becoming uppercase Capital and being considered as a sort of archon that subsumes our will and telos.

 

[Mr. Tea]

whats that say?

Strasserism is "national socialism" in the original sense, in that it was nationalistic (and anti-Semitic) as well as socialistic (although it stopped short of actual Marxism, I think). It was the ideology of Ernst Rohm and the Sturmabteilung ("brownshirts"). The left wing of the Nazi party, basically. They fell out with the right wing of the party because Hitler and his faction realised they obviously needed Germany's bankers (the non-Jewish ones, anyway) and industrialists onside in order to rearm Germany and take over the world. So Rohm's faction were all arrested and killed in a purge a year after the party took absolute control of the country.

 

[Mr. Tea]

So when right-wing twits in America say "hItLeR wAs a SoCiAlIsT", it's quite ironic because there were socialist Nazis at one stage, but Hitler and the other pro-capitalist Nazis had them all murdered.

 

[version]

Look who's back.

 

[constant escape]

Could he be classified as some high ranker of the alt-right, however broadly we define it?

 

[constant escape]

Or perhaps he marks a sort of threshold from right to alt-right.

 

[linebaugh]

hes to the alt right what the tea party was to trumpism

 

[luka]

Jones or Rogan.

 

[constant escape]

hes to the alt right what the tea party was to trumpism

So less intense than the alt-right? Or am I misunderstanding?

 

[Corpsey]

Luka, is part of the reason you like conspiracy theories/theorists that their heightened paranoia enables them to see things that people who are 'reasonable'/'rational' are unable to see? I was just watching Alex Jones ranting about the 'post human' future and thinking well he's probably going overboard in a lot of respects but he's perceived something there that's actually true. That many many people are inconvenient as far as the ruling elite are concerned - we need to be either turned into more robotic beings by advertising/social media etc. or actively replaced with robots that do the same jobs we do better.

 

[Corpsey]

Imagine if today is the day I finally understand your stance on conspiracy theorists lol

I'm probably still getting it wrong. I feel like there's another aspect you like which is that it's just less boring to believe in lizard people than a more pedestrian truth.