METAL! Discuss

[shakahislop]

not sure if you're joking or serious third, but it's as deserving a topic as any, regardless of whether you like the music or not. I haven't bought or probably even listened to a metal album in decades but still love the sounds and the various subcultures. it's been said before but some of the crazy fringe metal is as experimental as anything else out there.

also @shakahislop while I agree about class thing, it's not 100%. I know a guy from an upper middle class (US definition) family who's both a high-paid developer and has played guitar/bass for a few fairly gnarly/extreme metal bands that regularly played at St. Vitus. some of his metal friends are similar well-paid, condo-owning white tech guys (though not tech bros, these guys all have long hair and lots of ink).

yeah right. it's hard for me to understand in much detail obviously, these demographic things are subtle and i'm a foreigner. for sure not 100% and a million exceptions etc. the best example i have is seeing Tool at the Barclays, shit place designed for aggro obviously, but my impression was that there were a tonne of (white) working class people there which is a demographic that is pretty small all things considered in NYC itself. my assumption was that loads of people had come in from Jersey and Long Island etc. there are these odd moments here where suddenly i'm around a load of people who feel like they're from a totally different America to the tiny social corner I inhabit, I like it, it's a reminder of where I am, easy to never leave the city and you get tunnel vision to some extent

 

[shakahislop]

honestly @sufi should lock this thread.

i feel like this post, plus your signature, would make top notch black metal lyrics

 

[shakahislop]

honestly
sufi should
lock this
thread

BWAAAAAAAAAAAARARRRRRRRRRRRR HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

HE'S NOT WRONG
I'M JUST TOO NIHILISTIC
TO CARE

BWAAAAAAAAAAAARARRRRRRRRRRRR HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

THE WHITE RACE
IS DOOMED
TO DISAPPEAR
ANYWAY

 

[Leo]

yeah right. it's hard for me to understand in much detail obviously, these demographic things are subtle and i'm a foreigner. for sure not 100% and a million exceptions etc. the best example i have is seeing Tool at the Barclays, shit place designed for aggro obviously, but my impression was that there were a tonne of (white) working class people there which is a demographic that is pretty small all things considered in NYC itself. my assumption was that loads of people had come in from Jersey and Long Island etc. there are these odd moments here where suddenly i'm around a load of people who feel like they're from a totally different America to the tiny social corner I inhabit, I like it, it's a reminder of where I am, easy to never leave the city and you get tunnel vision to some extent

Yeah, metro NYC -- jersey, Long Island, even parts of Queens and Staten Island -- is very different from Manhattan and young hipster Brooklyn. parts of Suffolk county (the further part of Long Island) aren't dissimilar to small-town Midwest.

 

[forclosure]

i mean its funny you bring up eyehategod @shakahislop cause Mike Williams family owned a Tobbaco farm and after they died his brother became his guardian and sent him off to private school with the insurance money

Mike VI IX Williams more like

 

[forclosure]

yeah right. it's hard for me to understand in much detail obviously, these demographic things are subtle and i'm a foreigner. for sure not 100% and a million exceptions etc. the best example i have is seeing Tool at the Barclays, shit place designed for aggro obviously, but my impression was that there were a tonne of (white) working class people there which is a demographic that is pretty small all things considered in NYC itself. my assumption was that loads of people had come in from Jersey and Long Island etc. there are these odd moments here where suddenly i'm around a load of people who feel like they're from a totally different America to the tiny social corner I inhabit, I like it, it's a reminder of where I am, easy to never leave the city and you get tunnel vision to some extent

see the reputation and jokes i've heard about Tool's fans for decades is that their a bunch of pseuds who get too caught up in their bullshit magickal aesthetic,the supposed "depth" of their lyrics and how technical their music is to realise they have a sense of humour

might not be a sophisticated one but its there

 

[forclosure]

your realisation is something alot of people music writers especially had to deal with in the face of Chester bennington's suicide and lil peep dying of an overdose there's been a big overcorrection as of late with all this stuff especially because now they can't pretend that there never was an audience for it.

Me because of my time around metalheads and even if i didn't like alot of those sort of bands while people who were waste deep in indie rock were acting all shocked that another Slipknot album went to number 1 in the charts i wasn't surprised cause the people who liked that music never stopped listening to it, every year when summer hits and the big festivals start announcing their line ups even if its the same bands they saw the previous 6 times with the order changed around they're still trying to find ways to put together money to go.

 

[shakahislop]

see the reputation and jokes i've heard about Tool's fans for decades is that their a bunch of pseuds who get too caught up in their bullshit magickal aesthetic,the supposed "depth" of their lyrics and how technical their music is to realise they have a sense of humour

might not be a sophisticated one but its there

yeah i have also heard these jokes, not sure exactly if i'm on board, the only people who like tool that i know have been mates. i know one absolute prick who liked them, went to gabon to take ayuhasca or however you spell it, psychedelics as a competition. i really hate that cunt.

i think part of the tool pseud thing is that there are a load of white people in middle america or jersey etc, ie not the fancy cool bits of america, who are into them. and there is a vague intellectual component to their schtick. esp among richer americans my impression is that the least cool, lowest of the low, acceptable category of people to disdain and hold in contempt is unsophisticated white people so no surprise that music big in that world is joked about. people always say this thing about anything being acceptable in nyc, it takes all comers, 'you can wear what you want and no-one cares', but while this does extend to a whole load of people, i don't think it extends to poor white people

 

[thirdform]

not sure if you're joking or serious third, but it's as deserving a topic as any, regardless of whether you like the music or not. I haven't bought or probably even listened to a metal album in decades but still love the sounds and the various subcultures. it's been said before but some of the crazy fringe metal is as experimental as anything else out there.

also @shakahislop while I agree about class thing, it's not 100%. I know a guy from an upper middle class (US definition) family who's both a high-paid developer and has played guitar/bass for a few fairly gnarly/extreme metal bands that regularly played at St. Vitus. some of his metal friends are similar well-paid, condo-owning white tech guys (though not tech bros, these guys all have long hair and lots of ink).

Oh I like some metal. But dissensus has to retain its standards.