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bassnation

the abyss
i've been working on a new track which i can only describe as dubstep on a couple of e's. just wondered if anyone would like to check it to give me some feedback.

a disclaimer: its a little bit repetitive after a while and i am not entirely happy with the break, but its a start, may have some potential.

http://bassnation.uk.net/sound/gap_analysis.mp3
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
Its a solid track, pretty professionally engineered sounding (OK- disclaimer, I'm listening on shitty computer speakers...) but you're correct the break just kind of sits there. Sometimes Dubstep tunes do that, but they have more going on elsewhere (delay effects, vocal samples, breakdowns etc) so it might be worth either spicing the break up with some more rhythm edits, or putting in some more "events"... I like the idea of dubstep on an E tho, why not build that idea into the track in some further aesthetic ways?
 

Rambler

Awanturnik
Sounds like a good start to me - got a really nice dark feel to it. But yeah, I think you need to do a bit more to the break, and possibly add in an extra layer of stuff in between/around the break and the synth things to give it some depth.

Basically what Gek-opel said ;) Look forward to hearing how it develops...
 

bassnation

the abyss
Rambler said:
Sounds like a good start to me - got a really nice dark feel to it. But yeah, I think you need to do a bit more to the break, and possibly add in an extra layer of stuff in between/around the break and the synth things to give it some depth.

Basically what Gek-opel said ;) Look forward to hearing how it develops...

many thanks gek and rambler - very glad you liked the vibe :) always a bit nerve wracking posting tracks to such a musically literate and clued-up board like dissensus!

drums are so difficult to get right, especially dubstep rhythms. the bar is very high these days because there are so many talented people sculpting complicated beats. i think i'll go back and redo that bit altogether.

the dubstep on e thing could be interesting but somehow i doubt the scene as a whole will like that direction ;) does it matter? i'm a bit too old to be a fully fledged member of any scene these days!
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
Re: Dubstep on an E... I think it depends on how the tunes sound, I was thinking more the kind of mellow but desperate psych-paranoia bit, rather than loved up rushing euphoria, that kind of feeling you've done something really wrong to yr brain and yr not sure if its going to feel the same anymore.... I reckon they'd go for that! A kind of blissed out psychedelic wash but with a queasy sense that tings are not as they should be... the synths already suggest that I think, maybe add a minimalist delay-dubbed out breakdown, then go straight back in with additional drum parts (or maybe a rhythm re-edit) and some extra melodic instrumentation on top, adding a kind of dark-E sheen to it...

How old are most of the producers anyway... a lot like Skream and Benga are offensively young... but I suspect you could get away with being late 30s... maybe older...? I remember on Guttas blog him saying that everyone thought he was some 20-something...
 

matt b

Indexing all opinion
i like it so far marc- i'd say you need a breakdown (lose the drums, increase the space), ready for a drop- a second bassline?
steal a spoken intro from a reggae tune and BANG! ;)
 

polystyle

Well-known member
Musically , you got something there Bassn/Marc is it ?
Do a bit more with the bt , a good variation , more of a breakdown , more build
ya know like everyone has said - jus 'more'

Then ya do another one , and a few more - then pick the best

Age is (somewhat) just a number
 

borderpolice

Well-known member
bassnation said:
i've been working on a new track which i can only describe as dubstep on a couple of e's. just wondered if anyone would like to check it to give me some feedback.

hi, great that you have the guts to put your tune up for public listening. that's the way to go! i should do the same really!

gap_analysis is a great track. i really like the intro, and this idea of combining dubstep with squelchy house it very good. but there's potential for fine-tuning the track. here are some suggestions for making the track stronger, i hope you find the leve of detail helpful.

(1) i really like the hi frequency (hi hat-like) pattern in the background. (3 beats in the last quater of every bar, becoming two beats near the end), but the lower frequency part of the drums is too much in the forground. they also sound slightly too much like DnB. finally, there's not enough variety in terms of rhythm on several levels: no breaks, little syncopation, everything changes on the grid, too much repetition. generally, the drums are a bit busy for dubstep: dubstep tends to use drum beats sparingly. Also, dubstep tends to build up tension by playing with rhythm and rhythmic expectations (e.g. by using k...s... to fool the audience into expecting ..k.s..., but then delaying the ..k.s... by a bar or so (k stands for kick, s for snare/claps etc). i would add reverb on some drums, but carefully (don't drown things), maybe changing over time, put in 2 or 3 clear breaks in song structure, take parts of the drums (some combination of kik, snare, hats) in and out at different times, add delay from time to time (that works especially well if the delay frequency is different on the left and right channel without loosing sync). i'd also add some other, more artificial drumsounds (no classic breakbeats) and use more layering on kicksounds.

(2) no vocals, no 'vibe'. by that i mean something that the audience can use as a hook to *talk* about the track next day in a record store: "do you have this track that goes "helicopter sound, turning into a bassline" or "a woman with american accent saying 'hello mum, are we on air'". if you are short of vocal, type "acapella" into soulseek ;)

(3) strings, coming in at bar 5 are a bit too loud/ too much in forground. also, that string sound is too unprocessed for my liking. it sounds like you just took a basic plug-in and use it unmodified.

(4) i really like the subbass on every (second) 3, gives it that reggae vibe, but it's played straight through. needs a bit of development. there are many ways to do this, but as this is dubstep, and i'm not too knowledgable about subbass science, i feel a bit unqualified to comment further ...

(5) the mid/high range squelch sounds can do with a bit of spatial spice: use some reverb, make different squelches come from different sides etc. also, there is relativly little development of squelch: given the direction you want to go in, maybe let the squelches morph into somehthing that could be from DJ Pierre, Phuture, eg by adding pulse gate sync filtering or something like that. i also can't help but think that the sequelches/psycho strings can be a tad busy at times: there may be some frequency clashes. it may be helpful to do EQing with high Q to filter-out offending peaks, to make sure you don't overload certain frequencies.

(6) the pad coming in on bar 17 sounds a bit bland, at least on its own (later, in parallel with the squelchs, it is more appropriate). i'd use a slightly more grabbing sound. alternativly, if you want that calming sound,i'd let it play a rhythm that isn't 4/4, i.e. change chord every 5 or 7 bars, or something like that. if you don't want that either, then transposing it down, maybe by an octave, may be good?

(7) comment on song structure: most of your 4 bar sequences seem to be of the form AAAA. i'd rather use a bit of bridging of the form AAAB where B is similar to A, maybe the bass drum cut out, or a string starting, to make the transitions less predicable.

i don't mean to sound negative: over all, i think you have already made great strides towards an excellent tune, but it needs a bit of polish.
 
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