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luka

Well-known member
the last time i saw a few together in a gallery i was surprised by how cartoonish they looked. my guess is there's probably about 4 or 5 that work and a huge amount of chaff.
 

jenks

thread death
the last time i saw a few together in a gallery i was surprised by how cartoonish they looked. my guess is there's probably about 4 or 5 that work and a huge amount of chaff.
I do wonder about seeing a whole bunch of work all together with some painters - like seeing lots of drafts towards something. I felt this about Giacometti - you could see he was working something out over a long period - obsessively fine tuning something with subtle variation. Other painters/artists have a wildly varying range - Picssso obviously but also someone like Richter or Tillmans which probably suits them more to a retrospective. I saw a recent Constable show at the RA and was blown away with the range and subtlety of his work - a case where an exhibition was able to demonstrate range and variety and to confound easy preconceptions
 

version

Well-known member
Saw the Bacon at RA today. I’ve really tried to like his work but the best I could get today was that I understood it but I didn’t really like his view of the world/people. Despite all the curator’s claim of emotion, in the end I felt there was something cold and bleak in there - the one exception was the final painting which I did think was quite moving
'Study of a Bull' and 'Study for Bullfight No. 1' are two favourites of mine. I love how wispy and barely there the former, the one you posted, is. I dunno how he was feeling at the time, but it's impossible not to see him in it, one foot out the door and disintegrating.
 

jenks

thread death
'Study of a Bull' and 'Study for Bullfight No. 1' are two favourites of mine. I love how wispy and barely there the former, the one you posted, is. I dunno how he was feeling at the time, but it's impossible not to see him in it, one foot out the door and disintegrating.
It supposed to be his last painting - there’s the door he’s slowly seeping into - I like the way he takes Picasso on with the bull, wrests its symbolism away from PP and repurposes it for himself but for the rest I find most too flat - strangely austere. I’d have like more screaming Popes - those I do feel far more viscerally
 

woops

is not like other people
a member of the very messy school of art i have just invented
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alongside ronald searle
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and quentin blake
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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I find Cezanne pretty hard to understand, by and large. And I've read books about him. Perhaps that's the problem. But then, without the explication I'm not sure I'd "get" what was so important and great about him at all.

There are some exceptions to this. One in the National Gallery of a forest path which actually has a sort of psychedelic effect on me.

But was this how he wanted his paintings to effect people? From what I read he was the most rigorously intellectual (and classicist) of painters.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I understand (to a modest degree) his place in art history - his blatant conversion of "sense data" into abstract symbols, paving the way for Picasso, Matisse, et al.

But when it comes to actually appreciating his paintings, it's hard work for me.

Although I should also say that I've kind of gone off art this year. I've been in the abyss and crawled out of it and now don't feel much compulsion to go to galleries or look at all my art books.

Hopefully that will change.
 

version

Well-known member
Yeah, I'm not much of a fan. I posted it for the people in London who might want to go and see them. I imagine it would be something even if you weren't into them, mind you, given what they're saying about how rare an opportunity it is.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
There's an interesting bit in the Beckett biography I half read about his relationship to Cezanne. Quotes Beckett writing about Cezanne, how C was the first landscape painter (in B's estimation) to have painted the landscape as it is, not as a romantic projection or reflection of the painter but as something entirely alien
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
There's some really good writing on Cezanne because his work is intrinsically philosophical and you get into the whole nature of seeing, of light, of impermanence etc
 

version

Well-known member
There's an interesting bit in the Beckett biography I half read about his relationship to Cezanne. Quotes Beckett writing about Cezanne, how C was the first landscape painter (in B's estimation) to have painted the landscape as it is, not as a romantic projection or reflection of the painter but as something entirely alien

I read a funny bit in The Pound Era the other day where Pound unknowingly jabs at a young Beckett,

"On a visit to Paris in 1929 he came upon Joyce holding court and was enraged by what he took to be a climate of sycophancy. Of one slim youth he enquired, in withering tones, whether he might be writing an Iliad, or would it be a Divina Commedia. One should not say such a humiliating thing to anyone, certainly not to anyone who has done no harm, but it is especially regrettable that he should have said it to Sam Beckett."
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
He understood Cézanne landscapes as “incommensurable with all human expression” and possessed of an “impassable immensity” between landscape and the gazing subject. He complained that there was “nothing of the kind” in painters like Constable and Turner, where he saw only nature “infected with spirit.”
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Skipped back to the first pages of this subforum out of interest and found Luka enjoying Paula Rego


Something changed
i went becasue i assumed i enjoyed them. they make nice postcards. but when i got there and saw them in the flesh
i was repelled by them. everything about them disgusted me. the way they are painted. the crude, cartoonish quality of them.
they way they all have her in them. the vulgar literary freudianism. i came away thinking they are very bad and i really can't see
why i shouldn't be allowed to say so.
 
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