Chris

fractured oscillations
Heh... the way Newsom acts in that video surprised me... she conversely struck me as very intelligent and grounded in her recent pitchfork interview. The space cadet thing in the clip is annoying... but I personally don't mind all hippies that much, the whole snarky, jaded, passionless, hipster stance can be just as bad IMO.

I'd agree with the undisputed truth and admit that I can find a bit of quirkiness in women attractive. I don't find anything wrong with being whimsical, but her act in that video is so contrived. But yeah, I'd still hit it.

As far as complaining about rich kids and art.... most of the roots of classic art, culture, science, philosophy, etc were the result of the ancient Greeks and elite citizens of other empires/dynasties actually being rich enough to have the time and collective cultural resources to develop them. It wasn't till the modern era that the working class really had any part in art and cultural discourse (thank god though) other than tribal and folk art.

And finally, lets be honest, we're a bunch of pretentious (to some types), philosopher name-dropping, culture-vulture uber-hipsters of the highest order... even if we do have the proper, politically-correct social conditioning to make us (secretly) ashamed in our awareness of it. :slanted: Might as well embrace it I guess...?
 
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And finally, lets be honest, we're a bunch of pretentious (to some types), philosopher name-dropping, culture-vulture uber-hipsters of the highest order... even if we do have the proper, politically-correct social conditioning to make us (secretly) ashamed of our awareness of it. :slanted: Might as well embrace it I guess...?

haha...i resent that

I revel in my savage instincts and culturally inappropriate politically incorrect social condition...

...her act in that video is i'm guessing cos thats how she draws you in and gets herself laid

she was prolly gagging for the interviewer as the flash shot of thigh that registered along with the whole horse fantasy would suggest ...
 
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nomadologist

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Heh... the way Newsom acts in that video surprised me... she conversely struck me as very intelligent and grounded in her recent pitchfork interview. The space cadet thing in the clip is annoying... but I personally don't mind all hippies that much, the whole snarky, jaded, passionless, hipster stance can be just as bad IMO.

I'd agree with the undisputed truth and admit that I can find a bit of quirkiness in women attractive. I don't find anything wrong with being whimsical, but her act in that video is so contrived. But yeah, I'd still hit it.

As far as complaining about rich kids and art.... most of the roots of classic art, culture, science, philosophy, etc were the result of the ancient Greeks and elite citizens of other empires/dynasties actually being rich enough to have the time and collective cultural resources to develop them. It wasn't till the modern era that the working class really had any part in art and cultural discourse (thank god though) other than tribal and folk art.

And finally, lets be honest, we're a bunch of pretentious (to some types), philosopher name-dropping, culture-vulture uber-hipsters of the highest order... even if we do have the proper, politically-correct social conditioning to make us (secretly) ashamed in our awareness of it. :slanted: Might as well embrace it I guess...?


i have no problem admitting i'm pretentious about philosophy, i should be as i spent 4 years and $140,000 of my college's endowment studying it. but i am not passionless, i don't think it's fair to make an either/or out of fucking joanna newsom-level affectation where you're either a completely whacked out hippie OR a "jaded hipster." i'm very passionate about what i like.

there really is no precedent set in the past for the sort of baby boomer's superindulged spoiled children demographic we have taking over now. so there's no recourse to history for that one...
 

swears

preppy-kei
And finally, lets be honest, we're a bunch of pretentious (to some types), philosopher name-dropping, culture-vulture uber-hipsters of the highest order... even if we do have the proper, politically-correct social conditioning to make us (secretly) ashamed in our awareness of it. :slanted: Might as well embrace it I guess...?

I wish. I'm just some nerd who works in an office and wouldn't give a toss about all this crap if I actually had a life.
 

Chris

fractured oscillations
i have no problem admitting i'm pretentious about philosophy, i should be as i spent 4 years and $140,000 of my college's endowment studying it. but i am not passionless, i don't think it's fair to make an either/or out of fucking joanna newsom-level affectation where you're either a completely whacked out hippie OR a "jaded hipster." i'm very passionate about what i like.

Whoa.... sorry if that looked like a personal jab against you, nomadologist. I realized it might cut a little close to the bone for a large portion of us when I wrote it. I'm about as opinionated, passionate of my interests, and "pretentious" as anyone and I'm not ashamed of it at all. I just felt like being the devil's advocate there for a second.

For the record I actually find your posts among the most interesting and well thought out..

And I didn't mean any of us are jaded hipsters, if anything we're a rare breed who actually really give a fuck and aren't afraid to go into real depth about serious (and arbitrary) subjects, hence our distaste for the more shallow, image-concious hipsters, who strive to act like they don't care while obviously putting so much effort into blindly chasing scenes. The philosophy-name-dropping thing was more a friendly jab about all of us here (I'm obsessed with philosophy and cultural studies myself, and I don't want any of that talk to stop, I don't want anyone to feel self concious about referencing Baudrillard or Deleuze or whoever now ;) ); but I was kind of hinting that I actually would rather be seen as educated and "pretentious" than falsely try to posture myself as some working class hero (although I doubt any of us would be that full of shit). Of course there is the other extreme you described, someone going out of their way to be seen reading the right books at the right coffee shop. I was just noting the irony in hipster or intellectual self hatred via projecting onto more extreme cases than ourselves. By all means, I don't want this place to get any less "pretentious", that's why I'm here and not posting snarky insults in a Vice magazine website comments box or something.
 
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Chris

fractured oscillations
there really is no precedent set in the past for the sort of baby boomer's superindulged spoiled children demographic we have taking over now. so there's no recourse to history for that one...

LOL, yeah, I was going to say maybe the Roman kids but even they didn't have the conveniences we have now, though I could imagine the young Romans being a little more on the wicked side.
 
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nomadologist

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Romans had the dopest parties, I wish I were Roman from the pax romana. those were the days...

trust me, i won't be self-conscious writing about deleuze and baudrillard:) i have no compunction when it comes to the internet. i like dissensus, though, so i try to be relevant here because you guys are fun to bounce ideas off.

what i find in NYC is that many of the people who try hardest to make fun of hipsters secretly only do it because they want to act like hipsters are this conspiracy or homogenous group of some kind (even i will admit they're not) so that they themselves can be guilty by association. it's weird, hard to explain--it's almost like some people secretly want to be hipsters, even though they're constantly ragging on them. example: anyone who moves onto the north side of williamsburg and then bitches about being surrounded by hipsters!

i'd personally rather be a hipster than one of those kids who is always hating on pitchfork yet buying all the C-list type of indie music pitchfork endorses (example: Rilo Kiley). that i will never understand.
 
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Chris

fractured oscillations
Romans had the dopest parties, I wish I were Roman from the pax romana. those were the days...

Hey, I pretty much do party like a Roman sometimes, drugs, occasional bisexuality (oh shit!.. just outed myself!... :slanted: ), etc.... except for the whole watching public executions.

Wait... I just watched that Saddam execution clip yesterday! Fall of the American Empire going down in 5, 4, 3, 2....
 
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nomadologist

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drugs, occasional bisexuality

we should start some sort of club...decadence is sort of my steez...

haven't seen the saddam hussein clip yet, but i doubt it's as worrisome a harbinger of the apocalypse as this newsom album is WINK
 

Chris

fractured oscillations
we should start some sort of club...decadence is sort of my steez...

Same here, pretty much. I'll be representing the club in California... might be in the minority on Dissensus with this attitude though, not sure...

I've actually kind of been fascinated by the characters of the decadent movement these days, although it seems most of history's libertines always tended to have variations of the same clichéd tragic end... fall from society's good grace (unless they were 20th century rock stars, then they were encouraged) and die poor on the streets of Paris or in an asylum of syphilis or opium addiction, etc... :( but I suppose this topic's now more suited for the "Live Fast, Die Young" thread...
 

tate

Brown Sugar
So did anyone see JN perform in the UK? I've read a few reviews. (Not that this thread would be the place to discuss it, given the dungpile that the thread turned into . . . but I thought I'd ask anyway.) Myself, I had a ticket to see her on Dec 17 in San Diego but she cancelled on account of health reasons. Friends who've seen her in the US have spoken very highly of the shows.
 
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nomadologist

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yeah, tate, because joanna newsom is so divine that her name shouldn't be profaned by anyone who dares to dislike her or talk about her fans. it's not my fault her fans are completely repugnant.
 

tht

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apparently she fell off an antique rocking horse in copenhagen whilst trying to affix a hastily constructed papier mache horn to its nose (something about unicorns and salvia)
 

shudder

Well-known member
yeah, tate, because joanna newsom is so divine that her name shouldn't be profaned by anyone who dares to dislike her or talk about her fans. it's not my fault her fans are completely repugnant.

blah blah blah over-the-top hyperbole blah blah blah...
 
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nomadologist

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not so different from her overwhelmingly positive critical reviews, then, eh shudder?
 
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nomadologist

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would one of her fans be so kind as to explain what they like about her music? i'm seriously curious at this point, since they seem to care so much
 

shudder

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since they seem to care so much

not much evidence to support this! we ain't been raining on yr raining on our parade for most of this thread!

anyway, jus' look around to find rapturous praise from respektible sources. Say, silverdollar:

there is so much here; 5 songs unfurling like ribbons making the most beautiful, most delicate sculpture. the harp sounds like a kaleidoscope. i think the strings might sound like the ordered chaos of passing traffic. her voice is a raw nerve-synapse crackle, like i always want bjork to be. and soulful: tear jerkingly, gigglingly, joyously soulful

http://make-everything-better.blogspot.com/2006/09/listening-for-past-week-joanna-newsom.html

or reynolds:

wooned for this instantly, which was odd as I didn’t care for Milk-Eyed Mender much, seemed a bit mannered, but this time around the voice… alloy of Appalachian Bjork with
Kristin Hersh with a trace of Bushy flutter... totally intoxicates.
 

turtles

in the sea
Before this thread turned into a stalemate pitched battle there were several posts about what people liked about Ys. Also as shudder says, reynolds, woebot, simon sliverdollar and many others have all talked about why they like it. Me, I like long, weird, beautiful songs. Kinda like why i like current minimal techno. hahahahahaha, joanna newsom - monkey & bear (villalobos' bear-playing-congos-falling-down-stairs remix)! Hipster heads around the world would explode. :D
 

gumdrops

Well-known member
i need to hear her album properly but on first listen i found the bjorkisms a bit too obvious, kinda like bat for lashes. but everyone seems to love her so ill persevere with it just to see what everyone likes about her.
 
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