Sounding like them in retrospect doesn't really mean anything...if you pay attention to the actual flow of ideas, the club nights, the record shops, early careers of main players you can see (e.g.) that dubstep is largely an evolution out of the jungle/garage context.Also, dubstep to me seems to have as much ties with things like digidub and (nu-skool) breakz as with 2 step. And finally, what about bigbeat and triphop.
Not true. There was a big influx of - and this is important - not just producers (usually on the lower rungs of the jungle ladder) but ravers into garage after 95/96.if this is the criterion, i don't think you really can make the step from dnb to 2step. I know garage was played were jungle was played, and that some garage producers did some dnb productions in their youth, but the flow you are talking about was from dnb to techno, and from house to garage to 2step
That's what i wanted to touch on. I've seen the 'nuum' mentioned a bit around here and referenced just recently in the Kode9 interview @the redbull academy. Of course not by kode himself. Only I've never really understood what it was and where it came from, who coined the term and whether it was a linear progression, a direct evolutionary procession type of thing from one genre of UK electronica to the next or whether it's wider global definition included stuff like kraftwerk, detroit/chicago techno, NY miami electro, JA dancehall ? Or if it being strictly a UK thing if it even had a global equivalent ?but neither is it about linear development at the expense of cross-fertilization. Do you really think we would have 2-step without jungle?
But Kode 9 said perfectly clearly in the red bull interview that the 'hardcore continuum' emerged when acid house collided with afro-carribean music in the UK. He didn't put a date on it, but if you would like one, Simon Reynolds' tome Generation Ecstasy is the locus classicus for any discussion. A veritable year-by-year, genre-by-genre account, beginning in the late 80s, of the continuum's unfolding.I've seen the 'nuum' mentioned a bit around here and referenced just recently in the Kode9 interview @the redbull academy.
I'd still say dubstep but more from the tradition of nu skool, breakstep and glitchcore via pioneers like si begg, tipper, early botchit and fuel. As d'n'b's influence waned the nu skoolers took up the charge with crews like mechanoise adopting the shut up and dance mentality of pillage, loot and burn. Also quests cyberfunk with mad props to Oris Jay and then on to the dubstep full noise brigade like toasty, boxcutter, search and destroy , protocol X, elemental, luke envoy with more props going out to warlock at rag n bone and stormfield at combat for keeping their eyes on the prize.if that's the case, than funky house is the latest installment of the nuum, not dubstep. And indeed, i rather listen to JME's tropical stuff than read Kode 9 pseudo deep ramblings.
You obviously listened to fuck all 2-step then.2step was an altogether different beat and more influenced by US r'n'b, club culture and cafe muzak with a particular emphasis on the more soulful side of things. I suppose I can hear a comparison with the liquid styles of d'n'b but jungle to 2step to grime/dubstep is quite a leap that can't be abridged without the breaksteppas and garage MC's hence the continuum progresses.
It looks to me like the really 'continuous' continuum is ardkore - jungle - drum and bass. Beyond that the branchings and movements of people, sounds, and infuence seems to get sufficiently complex that trying to impose a model that is basically a linear development of a sound with maybe branches for grime and dubstep gets a bit overly reductionist...The way i see it the nuum started with hardcore and ended with dnb. I didn't like were dnb went either. But to me this nuum idea is something which life got unjustly prolonged by former ravers/junglists, who didn't like where drum and bass was going, so they invented the idea that 2step, and later grime and dubstep were the real heirs of jungle. It seems like people just list all the styles they like (hardcore, jungle, 2step, grime, dubstep) and leave out everything they dislike. That's fine, it just doesnt seem like a solid theory to me