Albums/artists you just DON'T GET.

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Number 1, thrown out there for anyone who cares to educate me:

Ricardo Villalobos. I just don't get the hype. The ideas might be interesting, but there's nothing there that grabs me. More than anything, it reminds me of a lot of 'IDM' records.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I was particularly interested in Fizheuer Zieheuer. The concept is great, with the introduction of Balkan horns and the 40-minute length. Reading about the record before getting it, I presumed I was in for another 'E2-E4' album-length futureshock.

But, well, no.
 

elgato

I just dont know
have you heard Alcachofa? that i think helps the rest of his work make sense. also it helps if you try to see it outside of the hype

as for minimal being exciting, it excites me, but not everyones gonna respond the same way. theres no reason why they should really

this is what pisses me off about hype. people start blaming the music for it, like its minimal's fault that its been latched onto by people as the new cool thing, and now if the music is anything less than the best you've ever heard then its something worth deriding
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I'll try Alcachofa - thanks.

I wasn't deriding Villalobos's music. Rather I was curious as to what the 'special' factor people see in it is. Personally, I see music writing and the oft-attached hyperbole to be part of my record-buying process. Without it, there's now simply such a glut of tracks/styles/artists/everything, that I wouldn't know where to start. Inevitably, I start looking to the experiences of those who (a) spend a lot more cash on music than me, or (b) get some of it for free.
 

swears

preppy-kei
Beatles, Stones, Byrds, Kinks, Velvets, Stooges, Sex Pistols, Joy Division, Ramones, Smiths, etc,
 

eleventhvolume

Active member
Burial. Seems I'm the only one who doesn't get that album. I've grown to love quite a lot of Dubstep, love minimal techno, Chain Reaction, Rhythm & Sound. I just found the Burial unengaging and a few of the tracks painfully mawkish. Given his no.1 spot in year end lists, I guess I must have cloth ears...
 

michael

Bring out the vacuum
You're not alone, I know plenty of people who either don't like or are not interested in Burial. In fact I'm in the latter camp. I do like the track that sounds like the slowed down woman is singing "Melbourne I need you". :D Slowed down female vox make me think of Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs though. Hm.

The only Villalobos track I've really enjoyed so far is Dexter... but then I like it for its synth bits, which are awfully reminiscent of Autechre circa Amber, so that's probably not appealing if someone thinks IDM associations are a bad thing.
 

elgato

I just dont know
I'll try Alcachofa - thanks.

I wasn't deriding Villalobos's music. Rather I was curious as to what the 'special' factor people see in it is. Personally, I see music writing and the oft-attached hyperbole to be part of my record-buying process. Without it, there's now simply such a glut of tracks/styles/artists/everything, that I wouldn't know where to start. Inevitably, I start looking to the experiences of those who (a) spend a lot more cash on music than me, or (b) get some of it for free.
apologies if i came off as harsh, it wasnt so much directed at you to be honest

its completely understandable that you look to others for advice
 

Eric

Mr Moraigero
I also was going to bring up Burial here. I bought the album and it quickly faded on me. Somehow there just doesn't seem to be much going on there as far as I can see. I wouldn't use the word mawkish but I can see where it might apply. Somehow it was a bit obvious.

I much preferred the Skream album. Maybe I am a dubstep lightweight .. :)

Also I don't really get the attraction of Young Jeezy. To me it is very heavyhanded and not very exciting.
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
Villalobos is good, but not as consistent as some would have you believe. Alcachofa is really pretty excellent tho. Achso I thought was waaay over-lauded for something that was so Autechre-esque (and I really really like the best bits of Autechre). But its like a lot of underground(ish) dance stuff, the few people who write about it tend to be incredibly enthusiastic (ie- Philip Sherburne- great writer but he must have rose-tinted earlobes or something...).
 

mms

sometimes
Villalobos is good, but not as consistent as some would have you believe. Alcachofa is really pretty excellent tho. Achso I thought was waaay over-lauded for something that was so Autechre-esque (and I really really like the best bits of Autechre). But its like a lot of underground(ish) dance stuff, the few people who write about it tend to be incredibly enthusiastic (ie- Philip Sherburne- great writer but he must have rose-tinted earlobes or something...).
ach so sounded much more like black dog to me, nothing like autechre, it was very 4 4 for a start.
villalobos just manages to villalobosize things, i guess you like it or you dont hes certainly inconsistent, he also has a way with sounds, managing to combine cool and hot sounds, more natural elements and very abstract sounds to create this lush sungrained warmth.

swears, the whole i hate rock thing is so played out.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I've actually started to get 'Fizheuer'. The constant repetition seems to be drawing attention to the minute changes that occur during the track, until the percussion subsumes the horn motif. Reminds me of something I read in 'Ocean of Sound' about ambient/minimal, with comparisons to modern art such as Mark Rothko.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
Boards of Canada
Yo La Tengo
Albert Ayler
The Pixies
Agree with BoC, definitely. IDM mostly did nothing for me tho', with the exception of Aphex and some things on Rephlex (which weren't IDM so much as electro, anyways).

As for Yo La Tengo, 'Nowhere Near' is a stellar song.

Pixies - certain songs are good, but, yes, they suffer hugely when examined alongside Husker Du (with the sonic experiments on Zen Arcade, for example) or the DInosuar Jr/Sebadoh 'axis'.
 

gek-opel

entered apprentice
ach so sounded much more like black dog to me, nothing like autechre, it was very 4 4 for a start.
villalobos just manages to villalobosize things, i guess you like it or you dont hes certainly inconsistent, he also has a way with sounds, managing to combine cool and hot sounds, more natural elements and very abstract sounds to create this lush sungrained warmth.

swears, the whole i hate rock thing is so played out.
The sonic mulch that settles into the furthest crevices of the stereo-sensorium is pure autechre. Its in a (marginally) different form, but its no DRAMATIC LEAP. The praise seemed a bit out of proportion, to what was a pretty pleasant little EP, but not much more!

The thing he does on "Hiereklon" and "'Fizheuer Zieheur" by having one VERY loud instrument, out of place in the mix, unreal in its scale, thats more radical, really.... I gues he's appreciated for constantly playing off between avant garde strategies and body-propelling dance imperatives...
 
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