Making Money.
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Gotta disagree on one critical point above.
Thesis: people always want stuff.
Agreed.
Thesis: people always want what they aint got.
Agreed.
But... get more money, one less thing to worry about, get me? So, no, it's not totally pointless to pursue material goals. Any more than it's totally pointless to pursue any goals (that's a strong thesis worth defending. claiming money is somehow less important than "artistic recognition" or some crap isn't)
So, getting paid nothing wrong with. Also, check out "survival of the prettiest" by Nancy Etcoff for painful reasons why males in particular need to get paid.
Anyway if holidays and nice shirts is the goal, and you are a good talker. Do something sales related. It'll require fuck all in the way of commitment, and the rewards will come in quickly. It'll be a profoundly revolting way to spend your time in many ways, but in others it's very educational. And you will get cash. All the more recommended because anyone with some bullshit cliche student view of the world will regard you as a total sellout.
The more obscure the thing you are selling, the better the rewards and the less the competition as far as I can work out from what my mates make money from. Financial IT training courses and network solutions seem good places to start, whatever the fuck they are.
Added bonus is never having to talk about your work. Some of my best friends do this kind of crap and I feel no need to find out what it involves and they feel no need to tell me.
Thesis: people always want stuff.
Agreed.
Thesis: people always want what they aint got.
Agreed.
But... get more money, one less thing to worry about, get me? So, no, it's not totally pointless to pursue material goals. Any more than it's totally pointless to pursue any goals (that's a strong thesis worth defending. claiming money is somehow less important than "artistic recognition" or some crap isn't)
So, getting paid nothing wrong with. Also, check out "survival of the prettiest" by Nancy Etcoff for painful reasons why males in particular need to get paid.
Anyway if holidays and nice shirts is the goal, and you are a good talker. Do something sales related. It'll require fuck all in the way of commitment, and the rewards will come in quickly. It'll be a profoundly revolting way to spend your time in many ways, but in others it's very educational. And you will get cash. All the more recommended because anyone with some bullshit cliche student view of the world will regard you as a total sellout.
The more obscure the thing you are selling, the better the rewards and the less the competition as far as I can work out from what my mates make money from. Financial IT training courses and network solutions seem good places to start, whatever the fuck they are.
Added bonus is never having to talk about your work. Some of my best friends do this kind of crap and I feel no need to find out what it involves and they feel no need to tell me.
craner
Beast of Burden
I'm not sure I want to stand out as a "mature applicant"...
Randy Watson, your name makes you sound like you should be in the Sweet or something, and you gave me some advice when I asked for it, which is extra ultra-cool!!!
I was actually thinking of trying to get a job on New Bond Street. I'd quite like to work at Aspreys. They pay you normal 'I can rent my own flat and not live in debt' wages (I'd shed tears with relief) for looking smart and being nice to rich people so they buy exquisite artefacts off you.
Although a friend of mine worked there and said they only employ horrible, thick aristos, and such-like.
I'm not sure I'm really serious about anything, actually. That's not half the problem, it's all of it.
My Dad's greatest moment was going to Poland and Czechoslovakia in the early 90s to lecture students about tax systems.
He likes Solzhenitsyn a lot, too.
Hmm. What am I going to eat tonight?
Randy Watson, your name makes you sound like you should be in the Sweet or something, and you gave me some advice when I asked for it, which is extra ultra-cool!!!
I was actually thinking of trying to get a job on New Bond Street. I'd quite like to work at Aspreys. They pay you normal 'I can rent my own flat and not live in debt' wages (I'd shed tears with relief) for looking smart and being nice to rich people so they buy exquisite artefacts off you.
Although a friend of mine worked there and said they only employ horrible, thick aristos, and such-like.
I'm not sure I'm really serious about anything, actually. That's not half the problem, it's all of it.
My Dad's greatest moment was going to Poland and Czechoslovakia in the early 90s to lecture students about tax systems.
He likes Solzhenitsyn a lot, too.
Hmm. What am I going to eat tonight?
craner
Beast of Burden
material goals, material goals...
...doesn't quite convey the feeling of hitting the street in a fine pair of Italian loafers or an Aquascutum mac, or booking tickets for a summer holiday in Pisa (Slovenia) or, I don't know, taking a nice girl out to a nice restaurant and paying for her meal without worrying about what she orders...or even just walking through the door when your soul feels grubby and sinking into the silence of your own space...
...doesn't quite convey the feeling of hitting the street in a fine pair of Italian loafers or an Aquascutum mac, or booking tickets for a summer holiday in Pisa (Slovenia) or, I don't know, taking a nice girl out to a nice restaurant and paying for her meal without worrying about what she orders...or even just walking through the door when your soul feels grubby and sinking into the silence of your own space...
Or buying champagne for strangers in clubs, or wearing real diamonds, or flying halfway round the world for a weekend of dancing. Paying to get stuff made specially for you instead of buying the same mass-produced crap everyone else has to have. Being able to hold a large party in your flat and have your maid clean up the mess the day after. Losing your mobile phone and picking up your spare handset the next day because you had it hanging around in the cupboard anyway. Keeping your rental dvds as long as you like. Never opening a bill, ever. Lending your mates money and not worrying about them paying you back.
Material freedom. That's the phrase.
Material freedom. That's the phrase.
monkeysblood
born to cry
fuck me, am i missing the point here? i'm a bit drunk but give me a fucking break. are people on this board genuinely talking about fucking diamonds and mobile phones? if you want to make plenty money quick, you just need to shift some smack. then you can fuck over people on both ends of the deal, the producers and the consumers, but you're the one who's fucking LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.
agreed. this thread is shifting from "jesus, being broke sucks" to "let's flaunt our massive consumption and fuck the negative consequences." yes i have what might be called a student view of the world, but i would like to think there's a few good reasons behind it. anyway, there's a fine line between wanting to live a comfortable life and just deciding that looking out for number 1 is ALL there is. massive, conspicuous consumption is, well, arrogant. Please feel free to make a case for arrogance, i'd love to hear it.monkeysblood said:
let's call this trawling...
i agree that you should try and get published luka,heronbone contained some of the best writing ive ever read
in terms of money making,myself and several of my mates make crazy money playing online poker
i cant understand why more people don't do the same
theres five of us who've put in a serious effort to become good players,(four of whom,including myself,have only been playing in any way seriously for less than a year) and all of us have made a lot of money from it...
i'm pretty sure anyone who isn't totally stupid could at least become proficient enough to make a fair whack of money if they put in the effort...
in terms of money making,myself and several of my mates make crazy money playing online poker
i cant understand why more people don't do the same
theres five of us who've put in a serious effort to become good players,(four of whom,including myself,have only been playing in any way seriously for less than a year) and all of us have made a lot of money from it...
i'm pretty sure anyone who isn't totally stupid could at least become proficient enough to make a fair whack of money if they put in the effort...
satanmcnugget
Well-known member
u arent going to make a lot of money with a job
it looks like your only real option is to sell drugs....u get into dealing crack and your chances of ending up dead or in jail soar......dealing weed is less hazardous, depending on which hood u live in...a few summers ago, a guy ive known since i was like 6 got himself killed over weed...his crime?...he was selling legit baggies and people were flocking to him over the other dealers...so even weed can be dangerous these days...you are best to start out really small...just selling baggies to make rent and keep yourself in smoke...if u decide to grow (which is where the sweet cash is), you had better work with people u can trust with your life and keep it REALLY low...snitches will get u busted quicker than u can say *#@*#
it looks like your only real option is to sell drugs....u get into dealing crack and your chances of ending up dead or in jail soar......dealing weed is less hazardous, depending on which hood u live in...a few summers ago, a guy ive known since i was like 6 got himself killed over weed...his crime?...he was selling legit baggies and people were flocking to him over the other dealers...so even weed can be dangerous these days...you are best to start out really small...just selling baggies to make rent and keep yourself in smoke...if u decide to grow (which is where the sweet cash is), you had better work with people u can trust with your life and keep it REALLY low...snitches will get u busted quicker than u can say *#@*#
australia/NZ are definitely easier to live in. i would have gone there - but couldn't really deal with the thought of being out of the best music culture in the world
also would have had to pay #2000 pounds or something to emigrate
which with your passport you wouldn't have to worry about obviously
also would have had to pay #2000 pounds or something to emigrate
which with your passport you wouldn't have to worry about obviously
bipedaldave said:this thread is shifting from "jesus, being broke sucks" to "let's flaunt our massive consumption and fuck the negative consequences." yes i have what might be called a student view of the world, but i would like to think there's a few good reasons behind it. anyway, there's a fine line between wanting to live a comfortable life and just deciding that looking out for number 1 is ALL there is. massive, conspicuous consumption is, well, arrogant. Please feel free to make a case for arrogance, i'd love to hear it.
let's call this trawling...
Well it all depends on if consumption=arrogance.
Personally I think the empirical evidence points to consumption=fun.
According to "the hero and the outlaw - marketing by jungian archetypes" by someone or other, every generation of kids needs a movie that epitomises the "caregiver" story archetype in which a bullied or otherwise weak child is made strong by caring for someone or something weaker than itself.
e.g. ET, The Yearling, Free Willy, Old Yeller.
There hasn't been one of these in a while. Can't be that hard to write it, eh?
e.g. ET, The Yearling, Free Willy, Old Yeller.
There hasn't been one of these in a while. Can't be that hard to write it, eh?
satanmcnugget
Well-known member
agreed, Oliver! i dont want any "revolutionaries" on my side who arent amorous and fun...if you arent, what is the point of wanting a revolution? (considers quoting Emma and says naaaahhhh)
luka
Well-known member
yeah, although there's complicated bits too
like sometimes i like to look bummy if i'm with people who'll look down on me for looking bummy, or dressing so they think i'm a thug or something, i wouldn't always want to be smart, its good to use your appearnace to fuck with peoples heads. if people have preconceptions and prejudices and stuff then its good to exploit those things.
but i would like to be able to afford some nice clothes too. and good food is even (much) more important.
like sometimes i like to look bummy if i'm with people who'll look down on me for looking bummy, or dressing so they think i'm a thug or something, i wouldn't always want to be smart, its good to use your appearnace to fuck with peoples heads. if people have preconceptions and prejudices and stuff then its good to exploit those things.
but i would like to be able to afford some nice clothes too. and good food is even (much) more important.