Environmental Collapse: when and how bad?

droid

Beast of Burden
You do, but there's really no point. This cant be escaped, not for long. It must be slowed and then stopped by action and we have the tools and capability.

Speed may be our saviour as well as our downfall. The 'hand through the candle flame'. We have accomplished this in a geological blink. If we act quickly we can stop a repeat of the end Permian.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
I don't want to get into a debate or anything but are you open to the idea (as some theorise) that part of this situ being to do with a natural climate oscillation that happens over millenia and we just happen to be unlucky enough to be there toward the extreme of the chart or do you think it's mostly down to man?
no
 

droid

Beast of Burden
How do you remain hopeful?

First of all, youth. Second, this amazing intellect. We’ve done a lot of damage with our intellect, we still are doing it, but we’ve got better and better clean, green energy, and if the government subsidised it, many people could be off the grid altogether. So, our intellect really can help us live in greater harmony and it can help each one of us to leave lighter ecological footprints. Next comes the resilience of nature. There are no bare hills around Gombe any more. Places that we’ve totally destroyed, there are incredible projects going on. The last reason for hope is the indomitable human spirit.
https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/prince-harry-jane-goodall-september-2019-issue
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
Staff member
The future is possible, and its paved with the corpses of a few thousand old white men.
Meanwhile China's carbon emissions are growing again, and at over 2% pa, after a brief dip in the middle of the decade.

Their emissions are expected to peak and then begin to decline within the next decade, as economies generally begin to see a reduction in carbon intensity as they exceed a certain level of per-person wealth and technological development:

Relationship-between-annual-per-capita-GDP-and-CO2-emissions-for-China.jpg

https://www.carbonbrief.org/chinas-emissions-could-peak-10-years-earlier-than-paris-climate-pledge

but given the amount of damage that'll continue to be done in the meantime by China and the USA and other big emitters running on business-as-usual, this is pretty limited as a reason to be cheerful.
 

droid

Beast of Burden
Dunno, the way Biden's going Im not sure he'll even last until the primaries, mentally, I mean. Biden, Warren and Sanders all running about 10 points above Trump as well.
 

Leo

Well-known member
warren's run a surprisingly good campaign, originally seemed to appeal only to progressives but has been gaining with more moderate voters. I wasn't optimistic about her prospects at first but starting to come around on her.

so here's a good one: a recent poll asked voters who would be your top two democratic candidates. of voters who picked Bernie as their #1, a majority of them selected Biden as their #2. that's crazy, Bernie and warren are a lot closer on policy than Bernie and Biden, yet even Bernie "progressives" can't bring themselves to vote for a woman. they'd rather go with another old white dude, even if he stands in opposition to so much you'd imagine they believe in, as their second choice over warren.
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
i just noticed that the billboards on the streets were showing ads for warm soup. those where you see a pretty lady with a warm pull-over inhaling the hot steam from the warm soup, her eyes closed from delight. i wouldn't have noticed it normally but it's 25 degrees today and people are wearing shorts and t-shirts and are eating ice creams.
 
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