The cannabis debate

N

nomadologist

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is the human body able to handle smoking, like is it built for it? I know it is cos you can obviously do it but...you can also obviously walk into a wall but you can't pass through it and you'll mash up your head so yeah...you get what I mean...

maybe a silly question but an answer please lol!

No, this isn't silly at all--if god didn't want us to smoke weed, she (see what I did there,wink) wouldn't have created humans with THC receptors in their brains.
 
there is nothing nice about salvia! it's really harsh and doesn't work very well in my experience (whichI will admit is pretty limited)

Salvia is pure evil. I don't understand how anyone can enjoy it Although it is the only time i've experienced absolute ego destruction....still when i came too i was running through the briars.....



...yea never do it by yourself...
 
so why do

No, this isn't silly at all--if god didn't want us to smoke weed, she (see what I did there,wink) wouldn't have created humans with THC receptors in their brains.

people's lungs and health get f***** up from smoking?

when it comes to weed...it's a mood enhancer and not for everyone like alcohol. I've seen ppl do some serious s*** they normally wouldn't after coupla draw and some ppl go mad and get cracked out
 

vimothy

yurp
Salvia is pure evil. I don't understand how anyone can enjoy it Although it is the only time i've experienced absolute ego destruction....still when i came too i was running through the briars.....

Which is, of course, the very reason to do it. It was horrible / brilliant.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
there is nothing nice about salvia! it's really harsh and doesn't work very well in my experience (whichI will admit is pretty limited)

Indeed, the 'niiiice' was intended sarcastically.

I've used it myself, it is by no means a 'recreational' drug.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
Playing XBox for a really long time and eating a lot of doritos, for instance. ;)

yeah i get lost in Ableton Live for 12 hours straight... :eek: and collapse with clothes on without brushing my teeth :eek:

there is nothing nice about salvia! it's really harsh and doesn't work very well in my experience (whichI will admit is pretty limited)

nonsense. i did salvia recreationally and it was a BLAST. the party we went to was a hysterical good time -- me and my GF at the time taking turns pretending we were freaking out on pychoactive drugs and fainting with eyes rolling up with a group of people applauding each performance; my buddy walking around with balloons in his t-shirt acting like a playboy bunny trying to get people to feel his breasts. fits of uncontrollable laughter... the kind that you can not stop even when you are very tired of laughing and tears are streaming down your face.
 

tryptych

waiting for a time
No, this isn't silly at all--if god didn't want us to smoke weed, she (see what I did there,wink) wouldn't have created humans with THC receptors in their brains.

There are endogenous cannabinoids, you know.

Conversely, the brain is stuffed full of NMDA receptors, but you certainly don't want to be ingesting NMDA...
 

tryptych

waiting for a time
nonsense. i did salvia recreationally and it was a BLAST. the party we went to was a hysterical good time -- me and my GF at the time taking turns pretending we were freaking out on pychoactive drugs and fainting with eyes rolling up with a group of people applauding each performance; my buddy walking around with balloons in his t-shirt acting like a playboy bunny trying to get people to feel his breasts. fits of uncontrollable laughter... the kind that you can not stop even when you are very tired of laughing and tears are streaming down your face.

You definitely didn't have enough/smoke it right - sounds like placebo/threshold effects to me!
 

zhao

there are no accidents
You definitely didn't have enough/smoke it right - sounds like placebo/threshold effects to me!

no we didn't take very much - smoked it with weed. but it was a good high, kind of similar to opium but more hyper. also a bit like being drunk.

i understand that with the "proper" heavy dosage it is 3 days hardcore purging of body and mind...
 
N

nomadologist

Guest
There are endogenous cannabinoids, you know.

Conversely, the brain is stuffed full of NMDA receptors, but you certainly don't want to be ingesting NMDA...

Yeah, I was just repeating something a hippie told me once.
 

swears

preppy-kei
I remember an A-level Engish Language class where we were discussing topics for a coursework project to write a persuasive essay on an issue we felt strongly about. We were told by the course tutor:

"Please don't write one advocating the legalisation of cannabis, everybody does that. The examining body is sick to the teeth of them, you'll get a D-grade automatically, even if it is good...which they never, ever are."

You could hear half the class give a collective sigh of disappointment.
 

tryptych

waiting for a time
no we didn't take very much - smoked it with weed. but it was a good high, kind of similar to opium but more hyper. also a bit like being drunk.

i understand that with the "proper" heavy dosage it is 3 days hardcore purging of body and mind...

Not at all - smoked salvia is about the same duration as potent tryptamines like DMT and derivatives. Just a lot more scary - it definitely has a strong dissociative element, but with a clarity of mind and without the sedating effect of dissociative anaesthetics. I wouldn't recommend a heavy dose without a sober sitter who is prepared to physically restrain you if need be..

Interestingly enough, physical contact from a friend which can be useful for people struggling with traditional psychedelics doesn't seem to have much of a beneficial effect with salvia.

It's a fascinating substance all round, in effects and pharmacology.
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
If you are just smoking the plain leaf you have to smoke a lot as quickly as possible and you have to get it very hot to get a proper hit. It's pretty strange, but even then it's almost impossible to get the kind of effect you'll have from the concentrated extract. Traditional use where it's indigenous generally does not include the use of concentrated extract, make of that what you will.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
Not at all - smoked salvia is about the same duration as potent tryptamines like DMT and derivatives. Just a lot more scary - it definitely has a strong dissociative element, but with a clarity of mind and without the sedating effect of dissociative anaesthetics. I wouldn't recommend a heavy dose without a sober sitter who is prepared to physically restrain you if need be..

the 3 days thing i got from friends who have attended workshops conducted by some south american Castaneda type guru... and it lasts 3 days. i think they keep taking it. it's supposed to be a complete breakdown and rejuvination.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
the 3 days thing i got from friends who have attended workshops conducted by some south american Castaneda type guru... and it lasts 3 days. i think they keep taking it. it's supposed to be a complete breakdown and rejuvination.

That sounds a bit like the way iboga is used in Bwiti ceremonies (central Africa).
 

zhao

there are no accidents
That sounds a bit like the way iboga is used in Bwiti ceremonies (central Africa).

yup.

The root bark has been used for hundreds of years as part of a Bwiti coming of age ceremony and other initiation rites and acts of healing, producing complex visions and insights anticipated to be valuable to the initiate and the chapel. The root bark or its extract are taken in doses high enough to cause vomiting and ataxia as common side effects.
 

tryptych

waiting for a time
If you are just smoking the plain leaf you have to smoke a lot as quickly as possible and you have to get it very hot to get a proper hit. It's pretty strange, but even then it's almost impossible to get the kind of effect you'll have from the concentrated extract. Traditional use where it's indigenous generally does not include the use of concentrated extract, make of that what you will.

Traditional use does not include smoking it, either - as noted the raw plant is too weak to get proper effects. The Mazatacs chew large lumps of leaves, or make water based infusions. The effect (I've not tried this) is supposed to be much less intense and longer lasting.
 
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