The cannabis debate

IdleRich

IdleRich
"Large numbers of people simply aren't interested in music in the same way as the nerds around here, plain and simple. Whether it is "good" or not is another matter entirely..."
Yes, sorry that's pretty much what I meant to say, I was going to put "good" in quotation marks but for some reason I didn't. Anyway, different people have different interests, I'm not going to tell you that music is a more important one than any other and I don't think the fact that most people are more interested in football is due to a conspiracy, that's all I'm saying.

"i think if you grab anyone, anyone in the world, who would not otherwise attend, and sit them down in the recent Hariprasad Chaurasia and Shivkumar Sharma concert in Singapore, and they would have a rewarding experience."
I'm simply not sure that that is true. Don't get me wrong, I'm not certain but that's just my instinct. Don't know how it could be tested.
 

vimothy

yurp
Taj Mahal Travellers and others you mentioned to me would fit into the category of "music that is too good to be played on the radio". that is a different kind of hypnosis than the "productive" hypnosis of commercial radio, which is a hypnosis that directs your attention back to work/consumption, and does not lead to ideas about other modes of being, other ways to spend your time and energy. commercial radio is not entirely satifying, but provides a surface distraction, and does not allow deeper involvement for long periods of time: enjoy these assembly line pop songs for 15 minutes, NOW GET BACK TO WORK!

So what about the in-roads into modern music made by the primitive and the magical? If people are supposed to listen to shit music because that's what George Bush wants (or whatever), how come we're listening to pop music at all? How come the sixties happened? How come Elvis happened?

Music is commercial or avant-garde: big deal. I've been to shite free-jazz concerts in abondoned buildings and I've been to brilliant R&B nights in the centre of town. And underground radio provides exactly the same surface distraction, just one that you buy into, which the commercial stations provide. Are you seriously telling me that Coil or Jeff Mills is inherently superior and better for you than some glossy Timbaland production? Why is that?

terrence agrees with me:

"the problem with canibis is that it promotes social values and attitudes which are unwelcome in capitalist, market based systems. it's that simple."

i do think it really is that simple. and the only plausible reason for it being prohibited.

What about the even simpler explanation that cannabis was prohibited for entirely boring and arbitrary reasons which were actually rather idiotic, that it's not part of any capitalist conspiracy to keep you bored and at work (a more capitalist capitalism would legalise and charge you for it), and that it's all part of the same clawing about stupidly in the dark that characterises human history?
 
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
What about the even simpler explanation that cannabis was prohibited for entirely boring and arbitrary reasons which were actually rather idiotic, that it's not part of any capitalist conspiracy to keep you bored and at work (a more capitalist capitalism would legalise and charge you for it), and that it's all part of the same clawing about stupidly in the dark that characterises human history?

Amen to that. After all, I don't think anyone would claim to have received cosmic insights or seen through the lies of capitalist society (or whatever) while high on heroin, cocaine or amphetamines, and these drugs are nonetheless all illegal - considerably more illegal than cannabis, in fact.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
ok so i was very high when i posted above comments. but now that i'm sober... I'm sticking to them!!!

I'm not saying there is a "conspiracy" per se. all I am saying is that this society discourageous things which take the mind of the citizens away from the produce/consume cycle.

come now, is that really too far of a leap of the imagination? is it paranoid or just common sense?
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
Nasty front page headline on the Daily Mail today about a kid who stabbed someone because he was 'crazed on high strength cannabis'. What is this, the 1930s? I suppose it just sells papers to appeal to the moral outrage of middle England. But who are these people now?
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Fuck knows. It's 'reefer madness' all over again, innit?
One thing that bothers me is this supposed cannabis that's "25 times as strong as it was 20 years ago" (thus easing the guilt and hipocrisy of parents who got caned when they were young, because it wasn't bad then, like it is now. Or something). I mean, surely it'd have to be basically pure THC to be that strong? And more to the point, where can I get some?

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(not my drawing)
 

vimothy

yurp
Yeah but, skunk is ridiculously strong, which should be obvious to anyone who's gone round to someone's house for a smoke, canned a couple of hydro skunk spliffs and spent the next three hours unable to even communicate beyond a few incoherent mumbles about cups of tea. Tobacco doesn't help either.

It's like having to drink vodka every time you want a drink. If it were legal then we'd have some choice about the strength of the weed we're smoking.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Well exactly. If weed were booze, the anti-legalisation lobby at the moment would be saying "some people fuck themselves up by drinking neat vodka every day, therefore we need to keep beer and wine illegal".
As I said in my first post, of course producers are going to grow the strongest shit possible when it's illegal - after all, people didn't bother brewing beer during the Prohibition, they made nasty bathtub gin that made people's teeth fall out.

My point about the 25-times-stronger 'statistic' is that it's misleading and almost certainly quantitatively untrue. I know there's strong gear about at the moment, I've smoked it myself, but it's probably more like two or three times stronger than 'normal' weed. Which of course is still strong: after all, spirits are three times stronger than wine, and that's a big difference.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
Ganja Report from LA

here in Cali laws have been relatively loose. but there are signs that things are changing.

for instance, it is easy to go to a doctor and get a "license to smoke" -- just tell them you suffer from anxiety or can't sleep. i regularly score from a buddy at work who has such a license - and the weekly limit of grass you can buy from the legal clinic is fucking ridiculous, something like 4 ounces -- more than enough to start up a nice little side business for yourself, as the price is about 1/3 lower than street prices. - but ofcourse the clinic knows whats up, and anyone who buys that much will have to have a good (medical) reason. but a few extra 8th a month for your friends no one will notice.

the grade goes from regular Chronic - $40 an 8th, all the way to the Mega-Chron (my own name for it) that costs $200 an 8th. and i think occasionally they get in stuff that is even more expensive than that. i keep telling my buddy to cop sumdat shit but he likes to do the regular chron. maybe one day i'll convince him.

they also have weed cookies, brownies and other baked (double entendre!) munchies.

what's more, in this clinic, not sure if it's unique because of hollywood location, they have a jazz band which plays every thursday night. not kidding. they also have a lounge with hi-fi, TVs, PS2s, Game-Cubes, sofas, where you can go and get "medicated". they also have, get this, a hi-def vid camera with microscopic lense focusing on a rotating bud (maybe bud of the week?), and the image is projected on an oversized monitor mounted on the wall.

:rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes: :D :rolleyes:

but a month or 2 ago the Feds came busting down the doors at this and 20 something other similar clinics around LA. there were a few arrests, some restrictions put on, and there might have been some fines or other, but the clinics are still running, more or less in the same way, for now. we think it was kind of a warning for them not to step out of line.
 

mms

sometimes
http://www.badscience.net/?p=389#more-389

good look at the figures here, with some of the historical evidence to back up the claims too.

Personally i've found smoking hi-grade skunk to be pretty grim at the wrong moment, you're immediatley totally stoned after a few puffs, it does mess with your ability to do things like communicate which can be both confusing and frustrating. I can see kids, who are often paranoid anyway, as their social network often compounds paranoia, getting very paranoid smoking it, especially as from what i remember, kids who pull whiteys or spin out get the piss taken out of them big time. i had a mate who would always puke up, go totally para and start an aggressive threatening argument with someone who did something like had a go at him for skateboarding near his house etc, just ended up getting alienated, but didnt recieve alot of sensible sympathy from mates as smoking was something we did yknow... i think the phrase was 'cheggers' as in cheggers plays pop, as in not hardcore.
unless something happens in the mentality of brits, people will always have that attitude, be it drinking or anything else.
 
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Good to see some people speaking out against this ludicrous 25-times-stronger 'statistic' (which, as I said above, I'm sure has been made up to assuage the guilt and hipocrisy of today's parents who don't want their teenagers to enjoy the same pleasures they indulged in as youngsters, on the gounds that "it used to be harmless"). If a THC content of 4% was average in the 70s, weed would have to consist of 100% THC in order to be "25 times stronger". Utter twaddle, and shame on the Indie (which I feel has turned in the lefty-liberal's - or quasi-liberal's - Daily Mail ever since it went 'tabloid' a few years back).
 
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vimothy

yurp
If someone tried to selll me an 8th of weed for $200 i would shit my ring all over the carpet. And it would be their fault.

I hope that stuff's cross-polinated with opium and dmt or something
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
CBD has antipsychotic properties as well, in distinct contrast to THC. In fact there are studies that indicate it as a good treatment for acute schizophrenic symptoms.
 

noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
CBD has antipsychotic properties as well, in distinct contrast to THC. In fact there are studies that indicate it as a good treatment for acute schizophrenic symptoms.
Interesting. That would explain the very different effects of something like good sensi over straight up chronic.
 
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Interesting. That would explain the very different effects of something like good sensi over straight up chronic.

Yeah, I've heard hash has a higher CBD:THC ratio than skunk, which is why it gets you stoned as opposed to 'wired'.
 
a quick question

is the human body able to handle smoking, like is it built for it? I know it is cos you can obviously do it but...you can also obviously walk into a wall but you can't pass through it and you'll mash up your head so yeah...you get what I mean...

maybe a silly question but an answer please lol!
 
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