scottdisco

rip this joint please
though i will say i appreciate the way M_B is posting and keeping it constructive and polite, from their pov they clearly don't like them that much, their loudness etc, so that is something
 

mixed_biscuits

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i am just commenting that people moaning about them is starting to get on my wick

It's yet another bandwagon for people to jump on, that's true.

btw Yesterday, I lodged my protest against the jingoism in my street by hanging my cross of St George upside down.

that British tabloid newspapers dislike them (w their readership from low-income backgrounds to wealthy Middle England shires) M_B has tried to put something in w a tangent about class etc that Grizzleb and Matt have rightly critiqued.

Just cos you read a small paper doesn't mean you have a small mind!

Ban the England band!
 

grizzleb

Well-known member
My point was that it only takes a minority of v-users to prevent non-users from expressing themselves as they would want to - that's blatantly obvious. Are you trying to argue that the instrument is 'not very loud'?
Thre's a difference between something being loud and something being impossible to sign over. I don't think the vuvuzelah is impossible to sing over.
How do you make a vuvuzela go 'oooh'?
You blow into it. :D
EQing or putting microphones next to fans without vuvuzelas (who, locally, would not be drowned out (they can hear each other), but within the stadium as a whole, would be largely inaudible), away from those with.
I doubt that it would be possible, as you imply that the vuvuzelah is so prevelant to go round the whole stadium and find by chance a place where there is no vuvuzelahs. And EQing would like dampen quite a large part of any other noise too. Various broadcasters have said they wouldn't be doing anything like that I think anyway.
No, the World Cup's host is not the boss - they bend over backwards to get accepted and then do nigh on everything as the governing body sees fit.
That's what I think is a bit rubbish. When it comes to something as silly as the noise levels at the stadium (and essentially an entirely 'cultural' phenomenon) then the host nation should feel entitled to do what it wants IMO. Infrastructure, transport, health and safety are all issues that any potential host should be accountable for. But atmosphere - no.
In any case, it would be a poor host who fails to cater to their guests' wishes.
I assume when you are holidaying in the Costa Del Sol you have your full English breakfast in the Queen Elizabeth and then shout loudly and slowly at anyone who doesn't understand your heavily accented, broad English...(joke!)
 

Client Eastwood

Well-known member
Wonder if the African nations will bring them to the London Olympics? :cool:

Boris Johnson said he would bow to public consensus. But somehow I don't think it'll happen.
 

luka

Well-known member
ok, i haven't seen anyone moan about them, apart from the article in the nz herald which i thought was pretty fair really. who cares tho, like i said already i can deal with it, its their country let them get on with it.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
As a friend of mine put it:
I find Vuvzelas so much less annoying than any of the following:
Mark Lawrenson moaning about the quality of football when he gets a paid trip to South Africa to watch it.
Mick McCarthy's voice.
Alan Shearer's punditry
James Fucking Corden
The England band playing the first two bars of Rule Britannia over and over again.

and when the football's shit I can at least pretend that the stadium is being attacked by giant space mosquitos

Tbh banning them would be retarded, I don't find them particularly offputting and they're obviously part of the local vibe, but on an objective level they are still fairly shit. I've not noticed any particular variation in dynamics in any of the matches I've seen - at least, not in the way that you could tell what's going on in an English game just by listening to the crowd noise. I guess it's like those things that you quite like when you're on holiday because it's a bit local and different even though they'd piss you off if you had to deal with them all the time.
 

grizzleb

Well-known member
Anyway, this is really going to go round in circles. I've enjoyed the last 30 minutes tete a tete over something reasonably unimportant. :cool:
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
Allow me a vaguely Daily Mail style moment, but the ammount of Father's Day messages along the lines of 'I never knew my Dad' that I'm seeing on Twitter today is making me a wee bit sad.
 

baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.

Politics is an extension of war by other means. Arguments are soldiers. Once you know which side you're on, you must support all arguments of that side, and attack all arguments that appear to favor the enemy side; otherwise it's like stabbing your soldiers in the back - providing aid and comfort to the enemy. People who would be level-headed about evenhandedly weighing all sides of an issue in their professional life as scientists, can suddenly turn into slogan-chanting zombies when there's a Blue or Green position on an issue.

This writer would be way better off confronting the deeper truth that most arguments/debates are about individual ego/self-esteem. "Once you know which side you're on" applies far more fundamentally to individual dogma than to party politics - once you've selected your own position, you must defend it!
 
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