The Curse of "White Reggae"

[martin]

Does Purpleman really count? I thought he was just "Little Frank" to Yellowman's Frank Sidebottom.

 

[matt b]

There's also Purpleman - how the fuck does he fit into all this?

not to mention the animals (tiger), vegetables (general trees) and minerals (brian & tony gold).

 

[martin]

And fabrics (Garnett Silk)

 

[martin]

Incidentally, why is it that Jamaicans are so shit at forming art rock groups?

 

[matt b]

LOL




create your own:

http://www.irielion.com/israel/reggaename.html

 

[john eden]

Better things to do?

 

[Grievous Angel]

Originally Posted by martin
Whereas that other song they did later, with Strummer going "No gangboss no, we don't want the whip!" was just atrocious.

not to mention their 'version' of police and thieves.

I love pretty much all the Clash's reggae stuff. That gangboss tune is fantastic. Their version of Police And Thieves was radiant. Also their version of Armagideon time. One More Time and One More Dub off Sandinista are as good as anything Mikey Dread has ever produced -- and there's Rockers Galore too.

Oh, and [stands up, squares up] I like the Police a lot too. It's not purist, its bastardised, and all the better for it.

Another great white reggae tune -- World Domination Enterprises, Jah Jah is Calling.

 

[matt b]

I love pretty much all the Clash's reggae stuff.

i'm not a clash fan full stop, but 'p&t' sounded particularly shit.

the police are ace- they're not trying to be 'real' though.

 

[Grievous Angel]

i'm not a clash fan full stop, but 'p&t' sounded particularly shit.

The Clash were THE GREATEST ROCK BAND IN THE WORLD and right-thinking people everywhere will agree that YOU ARE WRONG AND MUST BOW DOWN BEFORE THE REDEMPTIVE POWER OF THE CLASH.

And Sandinista was the best album by anyone, ever.

the police are ace- they're not trying to be 'real' though.

Glad to hear it fella!

 

[john eden]

One More Time and One More Dub off Sandinista are as good as anything Mikey Dread has ever produced

Like fuck are they!

You're seriously arguing that they are better than (for example) His Imperial Majesty by Rod Taylor?

 

[matt b]

The Clash were THE GREATEST ROCK BAND IN THE WORLD and right-thinking people everywhere will agree that YOU ARE WRONG AND MUST BOW DOWN BEFORE THE REDEMPTIVE POWER OF THE CLASH.

i hate to tell you this paul, but you are incorrect. the clash were shit. fullstop.

 

[matt b]

and putting that to one side, their attempts at reggae are not worth bothering with, at best.

 

[Grievous Angel]

Like fuck are they!

You're seriously arguing that they are better than (for example) His Imperial Majesty by Rod Taylor?

One More Time is a fabulous tune and the dub is awesome. I probably haven't played them to you for ten years or so -- I doubt you can recall juat how they are.

Can't remember the Rod Taylor tune.

 

[Grievous Angel]

and putting that to one side, their attempts at reggae are not worth bothering with, at best.

<shakes head sadly> it's always a shame to find that otherwise rational and well-meaning people cannot discern the immanent, world-changing wonderfulness of the Clash in general, and Sandinista in particular, especially the reggae-derived stuff.

<sucks air through teeth> There'd have been no jungle without the Clash, you know.

 

[john eden]

Can't remember the Rod Taylor tune.

 

[matt b]

<shakes head sadly> it's always a shame to find that otherwise rational and well-meaning people cannot discern the immanent, world-changing wonderfulness of the Clash in general, and Sandinista in particular, especially the reggae-derived stuff.

this will be yet another of my musical blindspots then.

There'd have been no jungle without the Clash, you know.

oooh. i'd like to hear more about such reasonings.

 

[john eden]

oooh. i'd like to hear more about such reasonings.

"reasonings" - LMFAO!

I suppose you could go:

punky/reggae party -> ANL mk1 -> Two Tone.

And then... hmmm.

The Beat link up with cockney chat deejays like Pato Banton.

errrrrr which is somewhat tangentially related to Saxon and other soundsystems... which leads into SUAD... which leads into jungle!

Hey presto!

However Paul will now argue that Big Audio Dynamite is the inspiration for detroit techno or something.

 

[Grievous Angel]

oooh. i'd like to hear more about such reasonings.

I'm thinking jungle as reggae-inspired dance music put together by mixed black / white massives. That's the Clash. There's a current running from the clash through Big Audio Dynamite straight into acid house, as was obvious to anyone who went to see them.

Side note -- once went to see Alex Shulgin when Phikal came out. The venue was the basement of Mick Jones' house in Notting Hill.

 

[john eden]

I'm thinking jungle as reggae-inspired dance music put together by mixed black / white massives. That's the Clash. There's a current running from the clash through Big Audio Dynamite straight into acid house, as was obvious to anyone who went to see them.

Which members of the Clash were black, then?

B.A.D. - PMSL!

 

[matt b]

I'm thinking jungle as reggae-inspired dance music put together by mixed black / white massives. That's the Clash. There's a current running from the clash through Big Audio Dynamite straight into acid house, as was obvious to anyone who went to see them.

who was the 'black' member of the clash then?

just because BAD were influenced by/ shared some of the same influences as acid house doesn't lead to 'the clash created jungle!!'. if it does, then psychic tv created [insert dance genre of your choosing here]. which wouldn't be true either.