Berlin isn't a world food capital in my experience!
Berlin has a huge Turkish population, which is always good delicious (and affordable) nosh.)
about this schnitzel business... people talk about it as the ultimate dish of Germanic cusine, so tasty as to inspire salivation at the mere mention. so we go to one of the best places in Vienna, where the waiter was 110 years old, with old Prussian Empire paintings on the walls... and it is indeed very good -- but COME THE FUCK ON YOU SIMPLE PALLETTED CAUCASOIDS -- it's not much more than country-fried-steak. more tender and better prepared, sure, but it is meat covered in bread crumbs and fried. are you kidding me? where i come from a dish worth getting excited about takes 3 days to prepare, 15 herbs that go into the marinate sauce alone, and a level of refinement compared to which this schnitzel thing is nothing more than crude. (of course i understand the virtues of simplicity. and sometimes the best thing is an uncomplicated thing. but still. in other parts of the world this would be served in cafeterias and wouldn't even make it onto the menu of a good restaurant.)
Maybe not a world food capital but I've always eaten very well there and pretty cheap too. I love the rich, hearty food that's standard there.... maybe that's why I'm putting on so much weight these days. (I like Hungarian and other central/eastern European food even better though, all those meaty soups with sour cream floating in it and onions and mushrooms and stuff - fuck yeah!)."Berlin isn't a world food capital in my experience!"
What's wrong with that? I think that makes a great breakfast. I love cold meat and cheese, fucking great."and the absolute WURST is the breakfast. bread, cheese, processed meat, and fruit. all served cold. what the fuck???"
none of those articles back up your reasoning and that quote is so vague as to be meaningless.
the most that can be stated is that individuals who have eating disorders may use vegetarianism (or a claim to be vegetarian) as cover for the disorder. vague correlation (looking at the studies, they're not generalisable anyway), doesn't mean causation.
That's true, but have you got better studies that prove the opposite point? Certainly all vegetarians i know personally strike me as having massive problems with food, and onset of vegetarianism coincided with onset of anorexia.
i didn't make the claim, you did- the onus is on you, friend
i've got 'fat' vegetarian friends, one of whom has recently started eating meat and lost 2 stone. therefore meat eating= crash weight loss????
No, I have done my bit, in providing scientific evidence that backs my claim. I see the problems with these studies, but they may be the best we can currently say on this matter.
That is true, but annorexia is very irrational. I now a very annorexic girl who NEVER eats as far as i can tell! and she's not exactly slim either! How does that work? She drinks a lot of beer! Annorexia does not mean eating little. it means having massive problems with all kind of eating and being very irrational about it. Starvation diet is just one possible symptom of this illness.
Whereas in actual fact he looked as if a junkie in the advanced stages of AIDS could have beaten him up for his lunch money.
i didn't make the claim, you did- the onus is on you, friend
i've got 'fat' vegetarian friends, one of whom has recently started eating meat and lost 2 stone. therefore meat eating= crash weight loss????
and you think your one example is enough to prove that veganism is bad? there can be thousands of other reasons why your friend looked unhealthy.
i know someone in his 40s who became a strict vegan raw-foodist 7 years ago, and has about twice the energy of an 18 year old.
i know someone else with 1 kidney, who has some disease i forget the name of, who by all the laws of medical science should be bed ridden all but 1 hour each day, but is not only out and about but teaches kung-fu with a big smile always on his face -- because he switched to a mostly raw vegan diet and does massive amounts of herbal treatment. (no not that kind of herb)
before he stopped going all together, the hospital he was at had to put him in a private room and forbid him from speaking to the other patients with his condition (who were bed ridden) because they all wanted to know his secret and it was not good for him to tell them 1. stop taking the proper medications 2. switch to a raw vegan diet. and 3. get proper herbs. this actually makes sense because with natural healing you have to go all the way, and any half assed routine without conventional medicine would likely result in a worsening of the situation.
i myself clearly notice that i have more physical and mental energy when i don't eat meat.
YES. BECAUSE THE KREBS CYCLE RUNS ON ENERGY DERIVED FROM PROTEIN. Excessive carbohydrates (esp in the absence of protein) fucks with your insulin levels, raising blood sugar and starting a chain reaction of hyperglycemia to hypoglycemia that eventually leads to a literal state of sugar/carbohydrate addiction.
Another interesting fact: veganism counts, in and of itself, as an "eating disorder" according to the DSM IV, mostly because of the amount of time a person has to spend planning their meals as vegans, and how much of a person's day veganism consumes. It is considered a compulsive "spectrum" behavior, I think.
HumpTea-DumbTea said:All this talk of veganism has reminded me of this guy I know/knew who was vegan, he's an inch or two taller than me and must be a stone lighter (for the record, I'm 6'1" and just over 11 stone!) and has a skin tone not too different from Michael Jackson. We were talking about nutrition once and he said "the Government reckons we should eat five portions of fruit and veg a day - I've had seven already, and it's only midday!" as if this fact, in isolation, automatically meant he was really healthy. Whereas in actual fact he looked as if a junkie in the advanced stages of AIDS could have beaten him up for his lunch money ... I don't think you absolutely have to eat meat to be healthy, but I think it helps, and I think outright veganism is a pretty bad idea as far as nutrition goes.