can we have a ysi thread

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zhao

there are no accidents
fokse vektaire xeven said:
your perspective is rather one dimensional, and seems not entirely well intentioned.

The music you're posting may well be of great interest but this,is a negative context to share it in.
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apologize for harsh language. I'm just sick of the conceit of modern culture, which thinks that it is the most advanced, and does not acknowledge traditions it comes from. (and of the west as well).

all of the formal "innovations" and ideas of modern music can be found in music from Madagascar, Indonesia, India, etc., etc.

as Turtles noted, that Madagascar track sounds like something Vilalobos would do (wishes that he CAN do).

Georgi Ligetti's ground breaking formal innovations such as "micro-polyphony" was derived from African music. and a lot of his melodic invention came from Hungarian folk music.

many, many other examples.

what I'm saying is that things are not separate as people think they are. continuum, rhizome, whatever. everything is connected and you find the new in the old, and the old in the new.

that's all.
 
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noel emits

a wonderful wooden reason
It's both isn't it. There's concurrence and there's influence. As the information pathways become more multitudinous and instantaneous it becomes harder to separate the two as well.

That quick lineage that shudder draws out actually makes a lot of sense. And of course disco/house/techno come from African beat music in large part.

Not sure where the gamelan link to grime comes in but I think in terms of early dubstep for instance both Horsepower and Kode 9 were aware of that music and made the connection.

It might be better to say that those traditional musics got there much earlier and in some ways had already gone further down a path that modern electronic boogie music is only half way along. You could see it as analogous to our flight out of history - the end result being the merging of technological innovations with ancient ideas that were already more advanced in many ways.

Music always gets there first.

Heh, x-post.
 
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zhao

there are no accidents
noel emits sound reasoning and good points :D

EDIT: paticularly this bit

noel emits said:
It might be better to say that those traditional musics got there much earlier and in some ways had already gone further down a path that modern electronic boogie music is only half way along.
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nomadologist

Guest
good points. this should be its own thread right?

hey i'm learning message board!
 
fokse vektaire xeven

fokse vektaire xeven

Arab Nazi
zhao said:
what I'm saying is that things are not separate as people think they are. continuum, rhizome, whatever. everything is connected and you find the new in the old, and the old in the new.

that's all.
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I can certainly agree with this! however..:

zhao said:
apologize for harsh language. I'm just sick of the conceit of modern culture, which thinks that it is the most advanced, and does not acknowledge traditions it comes from. (and of the west as well)...
Georgi Ligetti's ground breaking formal innovations such as "micro-polyphony" was derived from African music. and a lot of his melodic invention came from Hungarian folk music.
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Ligeti openly *acknowledged* this, just as Reich did Ghanaian music, Cage gamelan,Young and Glass indian music,,,

Techno pioneers on the other hand tend to *acknowledge* the influence of synth pop, kraftwerk etc rather than any traditional musics

Though I can certainly understand the desire to contextualise "innovation" more broadly, i don't think formal connections historically acknowledged or otherwise undermine the intregity, functionality or interest of music.
 
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turtles

in the sea
noel emits said:
It might be better to say that those traditional musics got there much earlier and in some ways had already gone further down a path that modern electronic boogie music is only half way along. You could see it as analogous to our flight out of history - the end result being the merging of technological innovations with ancient ideas that were already more advanced in many ways.

Music always gets there first.
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Yeah, for sure. Villalobos is a good example really, his last couple of big tunes, Fizheuer Zieheuer and Primer Encuentro Latino-Americano are essentially just looped sections of old traditional music from, what hungry and chile? I forget which countries specifically. But when you hear the originals you realize villalobos really didn't change much besides adding a backbeat, and a lot of people were still expressing wonder at these tracks. I actually like them too (the endless looping n filtering does do something interesting) but nevertheless, it does seem like a prime example of what you're talking about above.
 
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Guybrush

Guybrush

Dittohead
Man, this is SOOO good. Unfortunately, the album version suffers from a particularly bloodless early 90s production job, but this version is a winner:

Juan Luis Guerra & Su 440 – La Bilirrubina (Live)

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fokse vektaire xeven

fokse vektaire xeven

Arab Nazi
Collusion Magazine issue 4 pdf

I feel bad for shooting my keyboard off in this thread, so here's a contribution...I don't know too much about this magazine which was edited by Sue Steward, Steve Beresford and David Toop for a few years (?) in the early 80s. From the few issues i've come by, you might say it was radical in that it attempted to go to the roots of things...there seem to be a fair few articles about the formulation of genres etc. ( there's a great piece on house in another issue)

Anyway this issue has articles on dance craze records, early gay references in pop music, cartoon music, scopitone records afropop, EMI...plus an interview with ESG, a little aside from Sun Ra...there's even a snippy letter from AMM in the letters page. and only one list right at the end ;)

it's a bit battered but i've scanned it as best i can...if anyone can fill me in on this magazine i'd be interested, from the issues i've seen it was excellent.

http://download.yousendit.com/40098AF451B1098D
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
"Hamdouchi"
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It's not often I get the chance to listen to the stuff that's linked on dissensus (because I'm at work when I go on) but for once I can and this track is fucking ridiculous. Nice one Bnek.
 
sufi

sufi

lala
angham - al amaken

http://download.yousendit.com/8BB968B622AAD545

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sufi

sufi

lala
mostly off the web - forums like:
http://demna.com (eek :eek: has demna gone defunct again???? http://www.dewaniya.com/music-talk-4/23778-3.html )
http://dewaniya.com itself seems pretty good, i registered ages agobut ain't used it much
http://uae4mp3.com (all in arabic, but some top gulf exclusives/specials)
probly a lot more i don't know, especially in arabic, i remeber a kuwaiti one that was called mp3q8 or summat

http://mazika.com which i've used once or twice has a pretty splendid selection of payable mp3s

masses & masses of other free sites for non-mp3 formats
6arab, mazikaty.com, mazikana.com ...

(& forget about the following:
slsk, sterns, natach atlas, putomayo etc... all bollix western produced pap far as i can tell)
 
bnek

bnek

Well-known member
Los Zafiros
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there was a documentary on these guys a week or so ago. actually it was a pretty awful (the documentary) but i liked the music, this song in particular:

Un Nombre De Mujer
 
bnek

bnek

Well-known member
theres a 'latin' radio show i listen to on friday mornings at work - its a bit hit and miss but they were playing some cool shit last week (a couple of songs from that disco fuentes comp which ive seen discussed here but didnt pursue until now) and then a couple tracks from this 'batucada fantastica' album. its all reverbed out percussion (percussion-only), killer! listen in headphones for sure:
Luciano Perrone - Capoeria (Em 3 Andamentos)

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dont know what that cat is about.
 
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