Can you describe to me what gives a thing or a person an innate essence? Can you point out where one thing's innate essence ends and another begins? I can't exactly. I can make a general hand-wavy statement about it that's more-or-less true, but when it comes down to particulars I can't, which is why I say it's a handy concept but not one that reflects any particular real-world ontological fact. The "innate essence" seems to be something we project onto things, because I can't seem to actually find it out there in the object itself under close scrutiny. And, well, I'm a sceptic so if I can't find it and can't define it I'm not going to bother believing it exists.That seems very simplistic to me. Just because things are physically mutable it doesn't necessarily follow that nothing has an innate essence. I mean, it may be the case but the fact that the atoms or whatever change is not enough to demonstrate that on its own.