H P Lovecraft

WebEschatology

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I did have a moment a few years back where he was on my radar everywhere I went (eg Moore, who I still keep up to date with on almost everything he does, also that Richard Stanley film that someone I know was trying to work on, the interest in some tree shapes, some other mentions I cannot remember now, maybe D&G?) so I made a concerted effort with a story but never went further. I think it's the overt ghostness/weird supernatural creature element that I cannot really take. And I know it's not really about that so much as the terror of it. But it felt a little out of my bounds of believability as in I was unable to get on board.

But if you or tea tell me a single one to read, I will have a go and try to give a clear reflection as per what I've been doing with aickman.

One thing that happened is I got sidetracked early on by Machen who I now really love.
yknow what give The Music of Erich Zann a try either that or the Shadow over Innsmouth
 

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@WebEschatology Howard is an interesting case, because he was of Irish descent at a time when they faced a lot of prejudice from WASP types in America, and were even regarded as being not quite 'proper' white people in the racial pseudoscience of the era, so his racism comes from a somewhat different place than HPL's.

He was also something of an incel, I think - very close relationship with his mother, to the extend that he killed himself after she died - and, reading between the lines in a lot of his stories (which are drenched in sex, in total contrast to HPL), I think he was probably bi, with all the self-loathing that would come along with that in an intensely homophobic society.

Lovecraft, of course, was very much a volcel outside of his brief marriage to Sonia Green, what with being about 95% asexual.
Not only that but he also grew up in Texas around the time their oil industry was going boom and bust in rapid succession

i mean i think its silly to call him an "Incel" all that "incel/volcel" stuff is a just a new name given to a old old phenomena no difference to all these wastemen who whine about cancel culture who not that long ago were talking about the threat of political correctness
 

WebEschatology

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@Mr. Tea you should watch The Whole Wide World with Rene Zelwegger and Vincent D'nofrio, not a bad movie
i'm not a fan of this kind of speculation and i don't know if i'd go as far to as to say he was bisexual, but he definitly had some kind of internal issues going on whether it was sexuality or mental health or WHATEVER
 

Mr. Tea

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@Mr. Tea you should watch The Whole Wide World with Rene Zelwegger and Vincent D'nofrio, not a bad movie
i'm not a fan of this kind of speculation and i don't know if i'd go as far to as to say he was bisexual, but he definitly had some kind of internal issues going on whether it was sexuality or mental health or WHATEVER
I was just extrapolating from the fact that, AFAIR from the collection of stories I read, for every description of heaving bosoms there was one of gleaming, sweat-dewed pecs or biceps, etc. etc.

Edit: I wasn't trying to fit him into a modern ideological category with the incel comment. I just meant that, AFAIK, he didn't have much success with women, despite fairly obviously having a sex drive - in contrast to Lovecraft, who just wasn't really interested at all.
 
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