i dont belive in no evolution

[catalog]

So are you sort of saying that you can never step outside something and be objective?

 

[luka]

hahahahaa Mr. Tea thought he had a science ally but his science ally has gone to the dark side!

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

So are you sort of saying that you can never step outside something and be objective?

Yes, but not only that, that is science's only way of tackling reality and leaves it unable to account for phenomena like life, consciousness, time. You know, the little things.

So then you get assholes like Daniel Dennett denying consciousness exists because science cannot explain it. Infuriating.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Life doesn't have to explain itself to science. Science can try to throw a net over natural phenomena but it can never capture theit inner reality. They always run out of the holes.

Here's what my mate Galen Strawson has to say about physics; biology is even worse
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If your mate really thinks "physics finds no place for experience (consciousness)" then he's ignorant of an entire century of wrangling over the measurement problem in quantum mechanics, to say nothing of the emergence of the field of quantum biology over the last few decades and its application to neuroscience.

Still don't see the relevance to evolution.

I strongly suspect the objection is basically aesthetic.

 

[version]

 

[catalog]

Yes I'm of a similar opinion. Science is good but limited

 

[Mr. Tea]

hahahahaa Mr. Tea thought he had a science ally but his science ally has gone to the dark side!

Nah, I've known of HMG's predilection for this sort of guff for a while.

 

[luka]

science is Fake.

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

If your mate really thinks "physics finds no place for experience (consciousness)" then he's ignorant of an entire century of wrangling over the measurement problem in quantum mechanics, to say nothing of the emergence of the field of quantum biology over the last few decades and its application to neuroscience.

Pretty sure he isn't ignorant of any of that. Quantum physicist of that stripe are smart enough to acknowledge the utter mystery of it all and are very often god-botherers.

 

[constant escape]

science is Fake.

Prove it.

 

[luka]

proof is Fake.

 

[catalog]

It is true that a lot of scientists are also religious and I do find that odd

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

Science will take its next great leap when it reconciles with teleology. Nietzsche dealt religion a heavy blow but it'll come back, stronger than ever. Spaceships will be temples and every moon a shrine.

 

[catalog]

Don't think that's possible (response to hmgovt b4 versh)

 

[HMGovt’s Glorious Return!]

It'll be necessary to do so to breathe life into our creations. It's no coincidence that our failure to create or fully understand life, create or fully understand intelligence persists while science denies the power behind and within things. Need to instantiate the logos in our gear somehow. Might have to say incantations or think sublime thoughts on their general direction like in the 2 slits experiment.

And the multiverse concept is bollocks too. Can't explain one universe? Must be because there are loads of them. Ok then. No.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Prove it.

Yes! I demand that luka propose, and then carry out, an experiment that will prove, once and for all, the falsity of empiricism.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Yes! I demand that luka propose, and then carry out, an experiment that will prove, once and for all, the falsity of empiricism.

Or at the very least excludes it to three sigma.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Quantum physicist of that stripe are smart enough to acknowledge the utter mystery of it all and are very often god-botherers.

I'm going to have to call [citation needed] on this claim!

It is true that a lot of scientists are also religious and I do find that odd

Some are, same in any walk of life. But I wouldn't say "a lot".

 

[catalog]

No, HMG is just yanking my chain.

No

 

[Mr. Tea]

No

I misread your post as "is it true...", rather than "it is true..."