the (digital) hardcore continuum - no, seriously

[droid]

This is all quite intriguing. I blanked on most of this stuff at the time, mainly because of Panacea, whose sound completely repulsed me and who came into the D+B scene right when I was leaving - when things were getting really nasty and steppy...

i still have a major problem with distorted breakbeats+ragga vocals, IMO the real potential for fusion there lies in the combination of sweet electronica melodies/intricate drill+bass style beats and JA vocals, though I have heard things I like (obv).

RE: Breakcore... I regularly update myself on new stuff (via the ragga jungle forum) and am usually very disappointed. Don't these people realise that they can use than one break!

 

[mms]

Painting, LOL.

He did some stuff with I-Sound as Wasteland, which was good.

As far as I know he was a raver who got sucked into the Dead by Dawn nights at the 121 Centre in Brixton.

He used to do a fanzine called Fallout which was pretty cool, like a rough punk fanzine about DHR and jungle and stuff with cartoons by Shizuo in it.

He's a great guy.

Yes the second and third wasteland albums are really fantastic.
the roots rock ravers ep with i sound and errorsmith on transparent is also great, esp that horrible horrible two step track scud did called ' no love'
i want to play that record now but i've forgotten what section i've put it in
the bong ra stuff i have less time for.

 

[john eden]

Yes the second and third wasteland albums are really fantastic.
the roots rock ravers ep with i sound and errorsmith on transparent is also great, esp that horrible horrible two step track scud did called ' no love'
i want to play that record now but i've forgotten what section i've put it in
the bong ra stuff i have less time for.

Yeah that 2step track is awesome.

bong ra is just so-so really, isn't he? It just isn't very exciting in the main.

Saw him do a laptop set once.

 

[rivet90210]

Yeah that's funny, I lost interest in a lot of this stuff but occasionally would get give records and Toecutter I thought was excellent - there is just something supremely and unselfconsciously fucked up about it and you get the idea he actually likes all this stupid pop stuff he is also taking the piss out of.

http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/07/toe-cutter-interview-part-one/

yeah, exactly.
some inner nerd at the edge of 'fucked' drives him, its like the choice he has is: make music like he does or write music for anime games or something.... same level of vile is going on in both i reckon. ha!

im going to check this wasteland stuff.


droid: you just described that forum perfectly

 

[matt b]

Yes the second and third wasteland albums are really fantastic.
the roots rock ravers ep with i sound and errorsmith on transparent is also great, esp that horrible horrible two step track scud did called ' no love'
i want to play that record now but i've forgotten what section i've put it in
the bong ra stuff i have less time for.

'no love' and a wasteland tune are on my blogariddims mix, if you can't find them

second half of the mix is poor, mind.

 

[Martin Dust]

This is all quite intriguing. I blanked on most of this stuff at the time, mainly because of Panacea, whose sound completely repulsed me and who came into the D+B scene right when I was leaving - when things were getting really nasty and steppy...
!

Really, I enjoyed the first album a lot.

 

[Ory]

re: ragga/breakcore

http://www.discogs.com/Snares-Man-Clearance-Bin-Breakbeat-Malaria/release/27020

is a bit mad.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Painting, LOL.

He did some stuff with I-Sound as Wasteland, which was good.

As far as I know he was a raver who got sucked into the Dead by Dawn nights at the 121 Centre in Brixton.

He used to do a fanzine called Fallout which was pretty cool, like a rough punk fanzine about DHR and jungle and stuff with cartoons by Shizuo in it.

He's a great guy.

wow that is fascinating - it actually makes perfect sense, Ambush totally fused jungle with that whole squat, hard cider, Antisect/Extreme Noise Terror/etc vibe. that zine sounds absolutely amazing as well...

the 121 Centre, that's like a squatted community centre/show venue/etc right? I remember the name from my anarchopunk days...reading it in zines & hearing about it from English bands on tour. It's funny back when I was squatting here in the States that whole Euro squatting scene seemed like a fairy tale, still does really...community centres & vegan cafes & god knows what...I remember the local infoshop had this insane video of German riot police trying to evict the Hafenstrasse squats in Hamburg, actually funnily enough with Alec Empire or ATR as the soundtrack, I used to watch it like once a week...ah those were the days, punk as fuck & too stupid to know any better...

 

[droid]

Really, I enjoyed the first album a lot.

I remember being amazed that he had come through into D+B, having known him (and disliked him) from the electronica end of things. The LP came out around the time when Emotif and Elementz of Noise went shit and Panacea seemed to embody and amplify everything I hated about the way D+B was going at the time.

I guess I just don't like distorted, badly produced and noisy breakbeats...

 

[mms]

RE: Breakcore... I regularly update myself on new stuff (via the ragga jungle forum) and am usually very disappointed. Don't these people realise that they can use than one break!

yes it can be a problem, alot of the ragga jungle stuff too, from the sped up breakcore end sounds a bit like a tribute to jungle.
The kinda messthetics diy, nasty sounding business is very limiting as well, a lot of breakcore seems to take its cue from what to me is the worst side of drum and bass.

 

[wonk_vitesse]

Anyone know what he is up to now?

very much retired, doesn't do music, we're the same age and you wanna rest your ears at some point.

I enjoyed seeing Empire at the ICA once, did a very good Iggy Pop styled rock set, really pulled it off.

I don't think enough people know about the DHR stuff, especially the new breakcore producers I've met. Most of'em take their cue from Snares or Hellfish. Breakcore has always existed between genres, you can never really pin it down or deride as a genre.

I once walked down a side street in a sleepy part of Montreal in '99 and heard this bizarre noise coming down the street. Following it I can across this ramshackle record shop and on entering asked what it was, i had no idea, 'Atari Teenage Riot'

 

[ToRMeNT]

Personally, i think the one of the main points about DHR back when is that they weren't afraid to fuck with hip-hop, and just spat it back up. I LOVED IT. For me, as a fan of that early stuff, that's what most resonates with me - that appreciation of hip-hop. Which is pretty important.


I mean, Bomb20's Field Manual is a hip-hop record. He clearly got it. Influenced the fuck out of me. With the juztipositoin of the manifestos, the noise, the samples, the energy - it was like listening to a Crass record. And there was funk, some bounce. One of the greatest records of "all time". Subversive as fuck. It really is beautiful.


I still rate Patrick Catani.

 

[philblackpool]

does anyone know which the film the samples in Killed or be Killed are taken from? - the lines like 'I murder people for fun' and so on.

I've been lurking here for years & finally had to register to answer that one...I adore this record too & was watching Hype Williams' movie "Belly" a coupla years ago when the sample revealed its source...it is Louie Rankin who delivers the lines...he had some minor reggae records in the early nineties...

The movie is a bit mumble-mouthed at times, but (as you would expect) beautifully shot...

 

[drilla]

http://www.last.fm/music/Carl+Crack/_/If+You+Mess+With+Me!?autostart

http://www.last.fm/music/Carl+Crack/_/KR-6200?autostart

http://www.last.fm/music/Carl+Crack/_/Durban+Poison?autostart

Though Babylon's record is up there (and Alec Empire rates it the best on the label) My favorite DHR thing was the late Carl Crack's "BLACK ARK" album from 1998.. off kilter dubby lo fi loopy languid soundtracky stuff, loops that don't loop, breaks cut in the wrong spot, sampler abuse. Sounds like it was made on a casio sk-1 and cassette deck.

Typical online writeup I'll stop trying to emulate: A messy pastiche of druggy broken-beat hip-hop, headphone accidents, VHS movie samples and cut up synth blips. Black Ark is like listening to aural codeine. great music to lose your mind to. Carl (formerly 1/3 of the not-so-infamous Atari Teenage Riot) recently died of a multiple drug overdose in Berlin.

If anyone knows other music that sounds remotely like this and could recommend, i'd be indebted

 

[evanbbb]

I mean, Bomb20's Field Manual is a hip-hop record. He clearly got it. Influenced the fuck out of me. With the juztipositoin of the manifestos, the noise, the samples, the energy - it was like listening to a Crass record. And there was funk, some bounce. One of the greatest records of "all time". Subversive as fuck. It really is beautiful.

I remember enjoying this record to no end when I was 16. Such brilliant aggression. That and Shizuo Vs. Shizor were the best off the label. I also liked Empire's Elvis stuff although it doesn't stand up well as his lps around the time.

Bomb20 released a follow up a couple years ago which was awful:

http://www.discogs.com/Bomb-20-Reality-Surpasses-Fiction/release/217985

Went and saw him play at a pub to promote the disc. Essentially played to just me and my two flatmates. Got to chatting and he ended up back at our flat for a few spliffs. He then started slagging off DHR claiming Empire imploded under his own ego. Took the label down with him then fucked off to the states. Bomb20 hadn't heard from him or anyone else on the label in years.

 

[zhao]

new alec empire trying to be elvis...

 

[stephenk]

http://www.last.fm/music/Carl+Crack/_/If+You+Mess+With+Me!?autostart

http://www.last.fm/music/Carl+Crack/_/KR-6200?autostart

http://www.last.fm/music/Carl+Crack/_/Durban+Poison?autostart

Though Babylon's record is up there (and Alec Empire rates it the best on the label) My favorite DHR thing was the late Carl Crack's "BLACK ARK" album from 1998.. off kilter dubby lo fi loopy languid soundtracky stuff, loops that don't loop, breaks cut in the wrong spot, sampler abuse. Sounds like it was made on a casio sk-1 and cassette deck.

Typical online writeup I'll stop trying to emulate: A messy pastiche of druggy broken-beat hip-hop, headphone accidents, VHS movie samples and cut up synth blips. Black Ark is like listening to aural codeine. great music to lose your mind to. Carl (formerly 1/3 of the not-so-infamous Atari Teenage Riot) recently died of a multiple drug overdose in Berlin.

If anyone knows other music that sounds remotely like this and could recommend, i'd be indebted

i just got this from the internet and i'm five tracks in and wow......
feels right between actress and the more lo-fi juke stuff...grainy greyscale weirdness
also i want to say those early three 6 mafia tapes if you were to put them through a bunch of filters
possibly shoddy comparisons aside, this is definitely great

 

[rivetrenuck]

alec Empire

Hey all,

First off let me apologise for being lazy!, came across this thread thru a link in another thread.

I have been shifting thru the various posts. And have got some good insight. i am now crazy for Alec Empire, Though i have only heard his Intelligence and Sacrifice album.

could someone give a good guide to Alec Empire and the massive DHR label. I have checked the discogs. and so vast.

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I am addicted to you!

 

[routes]

too dead for!

 

[Oss]