Iq

how do people feel about the IQ test as a measure of intelligence? I have some fundamental problems with it, especially the tests that rely heavily on word scrambles and other question types that seem to involve a degree of luck. As far as I'm concerned, there is no way to measure intelligence without some kind of cultural bias at work. That said, I took one of these tests last night (prob the most reliable one), and although the score was thrown off a little by the non-existent timer (would have worked faster), my evaluation sounds more or less accurate. What's interesting to me about this is that I got exceptional scores on arithmetic and algebraic logic, yet I'm a literature/history/theory student, so I wonder if I chose the wrong path, and if maybe I should pursue an undergrad degree in biochemistry or even mathematics. And don't accuse me of bragging or seeking approval! this score is actually 10-15 points lower than my real one, and I was extremely monstered when I took this:

General IQ Score

Your General IQ Score of 132 shows how able your mind is in general. Anyone with a General IQ Score this high is considered to be gifted. This score is better than 98.36% of all persons taking this test. Virtually all occupations can be comprehended with a General IQ this high. You should be able to handle almost all academic challenges.

You scored higher than your General IQ Score in 10 individual ability categories. 2 of these better scores could be called statistically significant and may indicate special abilities, or that you were distracted on those parts of the IQ Test that counted more heavily in the other ability categories.

Arithmetic

Solving many of the IQ Test's problems required the ability to add, subtract, multiply, and divide numbers mentally. Many mental tasks require arithmetical operations even though numbers may not be involved, and thus number manipulation abilities can strongly indicate general intelligence.

Your Arithmetic IQ score of 141 is exceptionally higher than your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.69% of all persons taking this test.

Spatial Skill

Understanding what changes will occur when conditions vary is a deep and powerful ability of the mind. All invention and creativity of every sort is based upon this ability. Although test problems usually involve manipulation of objects in space, persons with a stronger ability to spatially manipulate can also be expected to use this ability to be able to better predict how social and psychological situations would change due to variation.

Your Spatial Skill IQ score of 133 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.61% of all persons taking this test.

Logical

This is the ability to determine if a set of rules has been correctly followed. This ability is most useful in combination with other mental skills listed above. Those with strong logical ability are quicker to see where a given set of conditions is going to lead, have a strong sense of justice, and better understand--from an intellectual analysis--the benefits of harmony.

Your Logical IQ score of 134 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.83% of all persons taking this test.

Spelling

The ability to spell can indicate general intelligence. Remembering a set sequence of letters indicates the mind's ability to retrieve remembered facts. Learning how to spell and use the words of a language is almost a complete IQ test in itself. Although poor spellers with high IQ scores can be found, it is rare, and in general--everything else being equal--the better spellers have higher IQ scores.

Your Spelling IQ score of 138 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.44% of all persons taking this test.

Short Term Memory

The ability to remember things for a short period of time allows the mind to check back and retrieve facts needed to complete a problem solving operation. This ability becomes more critical when problems have many aspects that need consideration and/or need to be solved mentally. This ability strongly determines how efficiently one handles the many aspects of normal life. If your short term memory ability is strong you are much less likely to seem inattentive or "slow to get it" to others.

Your Short Term Memory IQ score of 134 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.83% of all persons taking this test.

Rote Utilization

This is the ability to take a set of memorized facts and mentally extract and/or operate with or upon the facts within the set that are pertinent to the problem at hand. Persons with more of this ability can be expected to spell well, remember telephone and other numbers easily, be more adroit in procedural operations, and have a stronger foundation for tasks that require the use of memorized material.

Your Rote Utilization IQ score of 139 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.53% of all persons taking this test.

Algebraic

This is the ability of the mind to abstractly handle quantities and qualities. Persons who are strong in this ability can more quickly and more deeply understand analogies, stories, derivations, equalities, and hierarchical structures.

Your Algebraic IQ score of 142 is exceptionally higher than your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.74% of all persons taking this test.

General Knowledge

Knowledge that is casually picked up and remembered can indicate intelligence, because persons with higher intelligence will exhibit greater retention of those pieces of information that are encountered less often. Because higher intelligence allows a person to have a deeper appreciation of the connectivity of facts that may seem disparate to others of lesser intelligence, memory of such facts becomes easier.

Your General Knowledge IQ score of 139 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 99.53% of all persons taking this test.

Visual Apprehension

This is the ability of the mind to mentally picture visual information and to be able to extract portions of that information for separate use. A person whose visual apprehension is strong enjoys a richer, more creative appreciation of visual aspects of experiences.

Your Visual Apprehension IQ score of 132 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.36% of all persons taking this test.

Geometric

How well one can comprehend geometric relationships of lines, sides, planes, angles, and topological properties strongly determines one's ability to make sense of visual information. The strength of one's geometric ability can strongly determine how quickly knowledge can be absorbed if it is presented visually.

Your Geometric IQ score of 132 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.36% of all persons taking this test.

Vocabulary

Knowing the meaning of words is an ability that directly increases along with the increase of general intelligence. The meaning of a word is more easily remembered with higher intelligence, because it takes more intelligence to understand and correctly use words based upon the subtle differences between words with similar meanings and to comprehend difficult concepts which are sometimes symbolized by a single word.

Your Vocabulary IQ score of 133 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.61% of all persons taking this test.

Intuition

Intuition is defined as that ability of the mind to develop answers to questions without consciously dealing with the problem at hand. Often a question will provoke your mind to answer without using conscious processing time, and the answer is said to come "out of the blue" or "suddenly, it just struck me". Of all the many abilities of the mind, this is one of the most often used. Just knowing what to do is often an automatic process that occurs without much conscious figuring. Those with stronger intuition make less mistakes and can seem luckier, wiser, or more mature.

Your Intuition IQ score of 133 is not significantly different from your General IQ score.This score is better than 98.61% of all persons taking this test.

Computational Speed

If you can correctly solve a variety of problems faster than another person, you may be demonstrating a generally more orderly internal arrangement of your mind's problem solving methods. While speed cannot be the sole factor in determining overall superiority in one mental operations, in general faster computational speed will often indicate that a problem's comprehension was more complete. With everything else being equal, a person with faster computational speed than another person's will be better at tasks that require the synthesis of many bits of information.

Your Computational Speed IQ score of 88 is significantly lower than your General IQ score.This score is better than 21.19% of all persons taking this test.
 
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My IQ is longer, thicker and veinier than your IQ.
well these scores are inflated. as far as i know there isn't a legit IQ test on the Internet.

I used to have a high IQ (145+ in third grade) but it has likely deteriorated after half a lifetime's worth of drug abuse.
 

swears

preppy-kei
I don't really want to know my IQ, I scraped into grammar school as a kid but I think I've let my brain atrophy since then. I have terrible long term memory and I'm useless at maths. What depresses me is that I'm not smart enough to work in any sort of interesting or rewarding profession. I have friends who are journalists, doctors, programmers... I'm an invoice clerk and I even find that a struggle sometimes.
 

Mr. Tea

Shub-Niggurath, Please
well these scores are inflated. as far as i know there isn't a legit IQ test on the Internet.

I used to have a high IQ (145+ in third grade) but it has likely deteriorated after half a lifetime's worth of drug abuse.
Oh my mistake, I thought we were comparing penises. I honestly have no idea what my IQ is - intermediate between those of George Bush Jnr. and Dick Feynman, would probably be a safe bet.

I like to think drugs haven't so much blunted my pre-existing faculties as awakened latent powers, like Paul Atreides in Dune.

Edit: penises schmenises, you can shoot lasers from your balls. No fair! :(
 
actually i think the IQ is bullshit. I don't understand how someone's proficiency at word jumbles indicates ANYTHING about general intelligence. And most of the questions follow the same pattern. The explanation is that questions like this demonstrate your ability to find order in chaos. If that's the case, then why not change the IQ test to something like this: you give someone a "box" of 9-10 materials or citations, say a Duchamp painting, a paper on economic theory, a documentary film, etc., and then ask them to combine all those materials into a single argument or thesis, and then judge the quality of that thesis. That would seem like a better indicator. I just think that the people who make these tests are so concerned with making them as unbiased and universal as possible, that what we get are questions that only indicate a small fraction of one's overall intelligence.

and yes, the ability to shoot lasers from my balls trumps everything else as far as i'm concerned: intelligence, athletic skill, character, etc :D
 

you

Well-known member
Im actually the same as you, but im pretty slow and dim - I think these tests really depend on the sort of mood your in - some days crosswords and scrabble just dont happen if your in a blinkered and stubborn mood - yknow??

Capacity to learn is surely more valuable in life than pattern spotting??? Creativity???

Plus I think finding patterns in logic tests, maths and words is fairly traditional, linear sort of stuff - its the oblique links - the creative perspectives and interpretations that make people interesting...
 

mixed_biscuits

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Teaching has given me the chance to see how well the reasoning tests that the school gives the pupils predicts their performance on other tasks.

After much n00bish collection of various statistics and subsequent analysis (largely using Spearman's Rank correlation), I found that the reasoning scores are a very good predictor of performance. Non-verbal and even verbal reasoning test results correlate positively and strongly with the whole range of Maths test results that we churn out. They even correlate significantly with student success in very simple, ostensibly trivial games, (for which I purposefully provided no input.)

This is unsurprising (at least in terms of assessing ability within a narrow domain), as the reasoning tests themselves are created by collecting questions that have been found useful in predicting performance on other questions. If a question doesn't do this, it is expunged by the test makers.

We had an argument about the testing thing in another thread - even Nomad eventually conceded that they are reliable in predicting academic success.

I would be surprised, merely from observation, if higher reasoning scores don't also correlate positively with sporting success, social success, everything else that is regarded positively...

As for word jumbling, anyone with <80 IQ would find reading itself difficult. The majority of the best Scrabblers that I know (amongst them some National/International 'stars') are educationally and/or mentally precocious (with an emphasis on the latter - it is their mental speed that distinguishes them rather than bookwormish tendencies).
 

Tanadan

likes things
I would be surprised, merely from observation, if higher reasoning scores don't also correlate positively with sporting success, social success, everything else that is regarded positively...
I am told by a psychology lecturer that they also correlate slightly with physical attractiveness...
 

mixed_biscuits

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I am told by a psychology lecturer that they also correlate slightly with physical attractiveness...
I suppose that, amongst other things, very low scorers are more likely to have conditions that make them look different to the norm.
 

mixed_biscuits

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m_a: Do you mean Spearman's rho? What are you comparing? If it's two continuous variables, you need to use a different test...
Yes, I think so. I'm inputting ranks, not the figures themselves (test scores).

I also did Pearson's PMCC, which tended to come up with roughly the same conclusions.
 

Tentative Andy

I'm in the Meal Deal
I would be surprised, merely from observation, if higher reasoning scores don't also correlate positively with sporting success, social success, everything else that is regarded positively...
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*bites fingers to avoid saying something he might regret*
 

vimothy

yurp
Right, gotcha -- A at a maths test vs. A at an IQ test.

How do you measure physical attractiveness? Ask, I s'pose...
 

mixed_biscuits

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*bites fingers to avoid saying something he might regret*
The correlation is a general one - I'm not saying that grade A students are invariably going to look like Keira Knightley or Jude Law.

I bet posting volume here correlates positively with IQ. Just look at the rate of production that nomad can manage.
 

Ness Rowlah

Norwegian Wood
I bet posting volume here correlates positively with IQ. Just look at the rate of production that nomad can manage.
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~robins/YouAndYourResearch.html. This is quite a good read, if a bit slow in parts.

Via the impressive http://www.lonegunman.co.uk/ (few but good links),





What Bode was saying was this: ``Knowledge and productivity are like compound interest.'' Given two people of approximately the same ability and one person who works ten percent more than the other, the latter will more than twice outproduce the former. The more you know, the more you learn; the more you learn, the more you can do; the more you can do, the more the opportunity - it is very much like compound interest. I don't want to give you a rate, but it is a very high rate. Given two people with exactly the same ability, the one person who manages day in and day out to get in one more hour of thinking will be tremendously more productive over a lifetime. I took Bode's remark to heart; I spent a good deal more of my time for some years trying to work a bit harder and I found, in fact, I could get more work done. I don't like to say it in front of my wife, but I did sort of neglect her sometimes; I needed to study. You have to neglect things if you intend to get what you want done. There's no question about this.

On this matter of drive Edison says, ``Genius is 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration.'' He may have been exaggerating, but the idea is that solid work, steadily applied, gets you surprisingly far. The steady application of effort with a little bit more work, intelligently applied is what does it. That's the trouble; drive, misapplied, doesn't get you anywhere. I've often wondered why so many of my good friends at Bell Labs who worked as hard or harder than I did, didn't have so much to show for it. The misapplication of effort is a very serious matter. Just hard work is not enough - it must be applied sensibly.

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How about having lots of `brains?' It sounds good. Most of you in this room probably have more than enough brains to do first-class work. But great work is something else than mere brains. Brains are measured in various ways. In mathematics, theoretical physics, astrophysics, typically brains correlates to a great extent with the ability to manipulate symbols. And so the typical IQ test is apt to score them fairly high. On the other hand, in other fields it is something different. For example, Bill Pfann, the fellow who did zone melting, came into my office one day. He had this idea dimly in his mind about what he wanted and he had some equations. It was pretty clear to me that this man didn't know much mathematics and he wasn't really articulate. His problem seemed interesting so I took it home and did a little work. I finally showed him how to run computers so he could compute his own answers. I gave him the power to compute. He went ahead, with negligible recognition from his own department, but ultimately he has collected all the prizes in the field. Once he got well started, his shyness, his awkwardness, his inarticulateness, fell away and he became much more productive in many other ways. Certainly he became much more articulate.

And I can cite another person in the same way. I trust he isn't in the audience, i.e. a fellow named Clogston. I met him when I was working on a problem with John Pierce's group and I didn't think he had much. I asked my friends who had been with him at school, ``Was he like that in graduate school?'' ``Yes,'' they replied. Well I would have fired the fellow, but J. R. Pierce was smart and kept him on. Clogston finally did the Clogston cable. After that there was a steady stream of good ideas. One success brought him confidence and courage.

 
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