Negative Energy

[zhao]

if nothing else, not an argument you hear every day - in favor of Stalinism not despite but because of the gulags & torture chambers.

sounds like... what's his name... shit... Z something... no not Zhao... Z... damn it.

(no just joking i'm not necessarilly agreeing with that Adam Kirsch piece)

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

yeah I guess that is true. tho Zizek is so obfuscatory it's hard to know exactly what he's arguing for. plus I'm sure he's contradicated himself 100 times in the last 10 minutes re: Stalinism. & even even Zizek couldn't whip up sophistry in favor of Pol Pot. or torture chambers.

on the other hand I think Zizek & Euronymous playing in a Stalinist Black Metal band would probably be just about the greatest thing ever. especially if Zizek wore corpse paint & dressed like a black metal Mongolian warlord.

 

[Mr. Tea]

There's this Portion Control track that's incredibly dark, yet beautiful and airy and ecstatic at the same time - padraig's old hardcore tune in his post above reminded me of it, not how it sounds but how it feels. It makes me think of rays of indigo light penetrating through pitch-black space, or under the sea. Anyway, there's a (legit) free download here (yes, it really is called "theme from onion jack", fucked if I know why).

 

[echevarian]

If we're talkin bout despair in Hip-Hop, Trae and Z-ro.


The American South knows more about hate and rage than I want to learn.

 

[bassbeyondreason]

Definitely gotta agree on Z-Ro, such an interesting guy.
New Orleans had some sick stuff in the 90s too like this. Also, it's not on youtube, but I urge you all to try and hear Dirty Red - Dear God (gruffest voice ever, the Dirty Red on youtube is someone else).

 

[bassbeyondreason]

Oh and definitely UGK. The chilled-out gospelized G-Funk backing and the laidback delivery of lines like "Still upset about the drama here/At this time of year/I'm wipin' away my dead homey momma's tears"

 

[mistersloane]

1998? More like 1989.

My bad, I typed it wrong way round. 1989, you're right. Bring on the grime De La.

I just remember hearing, around 'Chronic' time, that the kids in LA were smoking formaldehyde and just thinking it was the most nihilistic thing I'd ever heard. Still is, actually.

 

[hamarplazt]

yeah Euronymous is a bizarre & fascinating character. much more interesting IMO than Vikernes' & his frankly tedious same old same old idiotic white supremacy line. refer to this great piece on Euronymous as Kafka & the absurd desire to have one's existence validated by being denied the right to exist..


if nothing else, not an argument you hear every day - in favor of Stalinism not despite but because of the gulags & torture chambers. of course Euronymous would have been liquidated post-haste under any of the regimes he mentions. who knows how much of it was simply the desire to shock & provoke the accepting social democracy in which he lived. bizarrely, it also seems he legitimately believed in Communism in a utopian sense ("I have to say that I have studied so much that I know that real communism would be the best possible system, BUT as I HATE people I don’t want them to have a good time").

I wonder what would have happened if Euronymous had lived. would there today be a flourishing Stalinist Black Metal scene?

To make things even more bizarre, he was also a huge, almost obsessive Conrad Schnitzler fan.

 

[Mr. Tea]

I just remember hearing, around 'Chronic' time, that the kids in LA were smoking formaldehyde and just thinking it was the most nihilistic thing I'd ever heard. Still is, actually.

I think 'formaldehyde' in this context is PCP - though that's not much less nihilistic than getting high on actual formaldehyde, I guess. Still, probably not as bad as jenkem...

 

[bassbeyondreason]

Apparently "embalming fluid" was slang for PCP, but some kids got the wrong idea and started actually smoking formaldehyde (which will get you high too). Brutal shit.

 

[Sick Boy]

Sherm, right?

 

[Mr. Tea]

Apparently "embalming fluid" was slang for PCP, but some kids got the wrong idea and started actually smoking formaldehyde (which will get you high too). Brutal shit.

"Oh man, I'm off my tits on cancer!"

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Apparently "embalming fluid" was slang for PCP, but some kids got the wrong idea and started actually smoking formaldehyde (which will get you high too). Brutal shit.

no, you lot are talking about wicky sticks- joints dipped in embalming fluid & then smoked once dry. tho I've never been clear on whether "embalming fluid" is actually that, PCP (tho it is slang for PCP) or something else entirely. anyway, kids used to talk about them when I was growing up (I had the good sense to stick to proper drugs, none of this inhalants/weird chemicals shite), I think it's something of a Chicago thing. supposedly when smoked they'd cause you to "freeze up", be unable to move - I've never done K but perhaps similar to that.

formaldehyde itself is just a chemical compound. I don't think you can smoke it.

either way, smoking PCP or somehow getting "high" on embalming fluid, that is indeed some "brutal shit".

Sherm, right?

AFAIK "sherm" is just generic slang for PCP.

Sick Boy you must know - PCP is hella popular in Canada. especially in Montreal, in my experience. the runaways & street kids & so on are way, way into it, in place of crack or heroin or whatever. every time I've been there I've been offered PCP by some dude or another.

 

[Tentative Andy]

Another one that I can't quite believe none of us have mentioned yet:
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*temperature drops in room*

 

[mms]

yeah Euronymous is a bizarre & fascinating character. much more interesting IMO than Vikernes' & his frankly tedious same old same old idiotic white supremacy line. refer to this great piece on Euronymous as Kafka & the absurd desire to have one's existence validated by being denied the right to exist..





if nothing else, not an argument you hear every day - in favor of Stalinism not despite but because of the gulags & torture chambers. of course Euronymous would have been liquidated post-haste under any of the regimes he mentions. who knows how much of it was simply the desire to shock & provoke the accepting social democracy in which he lived. bizarrely, it also seems he legitimately believed in Communism in a utopian sense ("I have to say that I have studied so much that I know that real communism would be the best possible system, BUT as I HATE people I don’t want them to have a good time").

I wonder what would have happened if Euronymous had lived. would there today be a flourishing Stalinist Black Metal scene?

god this guy sounds pathetic, an utterly overindulged child.

 

[Mr. Tea]

no, you lot are talking about wicky sticks- joints dipped in embalming fluid & then smoked once dry.

Same thing, it's a liquid solution of PCP. I think actual embalming fluid would probably be an organic solvent and quite likely highly flammable.

 

[Tentative Andy]

actual embalming fluid would probably be an organic solvent and quite likely highly flammable.

"It'll, like, literally blow your mind, man".



Edit: exploding joints actually sound like a nice line for joke shops to start selling under the counter....

 

[empty mirror]

the other night, my cat turned on my stereo at 3 or 4 AM and i woke up to Ministry's The Mind Is A Terrible Thing to Taste (on cassette!) at an ear-splitting volume (interestingly, my first thought was that my water heater was knocking---and about to explode; it sounded like industrial noise in the literal sense). that album has given me the howling fantods since jr high; i have to say i had to pull the covers over my head that night. (dream song on that album is still so haunting)

listening to Berg's Wozzeck right now. bad vibes galore.

i had friends in school that smoked joints dipped in literal formaldehyde. they did not fare well.

(i'm sure i've posted about it before but the worst negative energy [well, up there anyway] live experience for me was a Def Jux tour around the time of El-P's Fantastic Damage----everyone was dusted, they were projecting imagery of 9-11 and the holocaust [and surgery/torture iirc]----this was the show that El-P slapped the heckler during Stepfather factory)

 

[Mr. Tea]

Heh..."Some cannabis today is so strong it can literally explode a user's face off". Undeniable whiff of Chris Morris to that idea.

 

[padraig (u.s.)]

Same thing, it's a liquid solution of PCP. I think actual embalming fluid would probably be an organic solvent and quite likely highly flammable.

yeh that's why I said I dubious of it literally being embalming fluid, as opposed to slang for PCP.

either way, PCP sucks. what a crap, crap drug.