poetix

we murder to dissect
I don't understand either well enough to say, but I find it intriguing because most of the people I've encountered who are into Deleuze are on the left, or at least consider themselves to be.
Badiou of course described D&G's rhizomatic politics as "the fascism of the potato" back in the day, but his was one of those very expansive definitions of "fascism".
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
So Maxwell says Anti-Oedipus is crypto-fascist, while Foucault described it as the key to anti-fascist living. Who is right?
It seems they are both right.

Francois Laruelle wrote this piece "Neitzsche contra Heideggar" seemingly about Heideggars interpretation of Neitzsche - not sure if it is part of a larger collection or not, but I know it is recently/currently being translated.

Here is some from the translation:

Nietzsche is the only serious adversary of imperialism and fascism because he found the means to combat them without falsifying them.

It is that revolutionary politics as limit to the destruction of the domination of productive forces as technologies, at once of metaphysics and capitalism, which Heidegger misses in his reduction of Nietzschean politics to its imperialist surface: Nietzsche, thinker of absolute technology.

Through this continued misunderstanding where he falls into the trap of Nietzsche duplicity, Heidegger confuses the latent revolutionary possibilities of the will to power with the fascistic techno-logos that Nietzsche also had to hold on to – in order to slaughter it.

Nietzschean politics is the remedy to Marxist political impotence.
 

Linebaugh

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I think what Foucault is getting at is that Deleuze offers a way to freedom in the Nieztchean sense- 'waking up,' recognizing all thats nasty and coded into us. Capital makes us nasty. I don't know enough about Land, but from what I understand he would say that its not capital that is the 'fascism,' the source of that nastiness, but the attempts to reel it in. Capital is unbound and free associative like libido- thats how we get free for Land
 

version

Who loves ya, baby?
I don't know enough about Land, but from what I understand he would say that its not capital that is the 'fascism,' the source of that nastiness, but the attempts to reel it in. Capital is unbound and free associative like libido- thats how we get free for Land
"I can't accept the circle of the impossibility of escape because I think obviously it is the opposite. I think it is the impossibility of stopping the escape, but the escape is not for us. It is from us. This is the phenomenon we are dealing with."
 

Linebaugh

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Hard to tell if my understanding is vague or if theres obscurantism going on here. Does feel like 'facism' is just the stand in for 'politics I dont like' here
 

Linebaugh

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"I can't accept the circle of the impossibility of escape because I think obviously it is the opposite. I think it is the impossibility of stopping the escape, but the escape is not for us. It is from us. This is the phenomenon we are dealing with."
is that land?
 

vimothy

yurp
accelerationism has a number of qualities that ppl associate with fascism - it's nihilistic, it's anti-humanist, it's on the side of capital, of social-darwinism
 

luka

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depends on the stage. you get face tentacles at one point. then human life is sloughed off altogether.
 
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