other_life

bioconfused
the international communist movement certainly did a lot to betray the trust of people at its grassroots, in america bc that's where i'm from i can point to some very specific things if asked but evidently in france as well:
this is the historical background to deleuze & guattari trying to escape from hegel, the acephale circle's engagement with nietzsche, the cross-pollination of different kinds of 'left wing communism' in that same wider milieu, and then the turn of Invariance from marxism to primitivism, &c
 

other_life

bioconfused
it is rightly criticised as Eclectic and Too Abstract to Use and Shading into Reaction, or like you said Jettisoning the Notion of Opposition Prematurely - but these trends all point out an attempt to think through and out of something found lacking in the development/reception of marxism
 

version

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Reading philosophy had the effect of making me more interested in history.
I want to know why there are mounds of corpses and who is responsible for it.
i think you need a bit of the concrete to write well this is my opinion. i think me and craner have enough of the stupid bovine animal in us to give the writing at least some degree of in-the-worldness
Agreed. You want to see these "flows" in action! The rope that allows us to see Kenner's knot.
 

version

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youve got to move on to the next term catalog your going to do your head in spiraling in on this one idea
I think it's good. We want to actually get a handle on this stuff, not end up like those people who can't explain any of it and just post memes and platitudes in response to genuine questions.
 

luka

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Agreed. You want to see these "flows" in action! The rope that allows us to see Kenner's knot.
to be honest i generally need to feel them in action, i need it to be a lived experience, it need to catch myself in the act. this is the reason i dont believe in thinking. i dont think thinking exist i think there is only ever noticing and the attempt to explain what you have noticed.
 

version

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No, I'm reading Anti-Oedipus. Although I've also been reading around about the BwO specifically too. There are apparently three: cancerous, empty and full. The empty one's like what we were discussing re: Burroughs and Baudrillard the other week, a node with nothing inside it which things just pass through, the full one's productive and the cancerous one's stuck in a loop producing the same thing over and over.
 

luka

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Hi! My name is Carey! I'm your Kindfulness Coach!

read that chapter i just linked to this instant then and i think you will soon understand everything you need to know.
 

version

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I think the mistake I made was expecting to understand what it was from the beginning when it seems to be specifically written so that you gradually realise what it is just by reading the stuff. What you're saying about feeling things in action, like how I unconsciously understood the rhizome from having read Burroughs and Pynchon and taken psychedelics.
 

version

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This bit early on in AO is so Beckett,

Conforming to the meaning of the word "process," recording
falls back on (se rabat sur) production, but the production of recording itself is
produced by the production of production.

😂
 

luka

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yeah you have to take drugs and then just pay attention to what is happening that literally all you need to do in life and you will understand everything. but read that chapter anyway since you have time on your hands
 

version

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My immediate thoughts after reading that chapter are;

1) Psychedelics. Luka's thing about it essentially acting like a trip report is bang on.
2) The insistence on abstraction we were grumbling about earlier is essential for the book itself to be a BwO.
 

version

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It's a fascinating concept as you instinctively start applying it to other things whilst also being able to observe it in action by doing so, e.g. I start plugging it into GR and psychedelics to get a better handle on it whilst realising that my plugging these things into it, making connections and associations and creating patterns across and through it are exactly what it is.
 
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