version

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Deleuze, like all of them really, had pretty banal and uninformed opinions on the political issues of his day.
I can't imagine looking to them for facts and analysis. This stuff seems more like a toolkit than anything, like you could take what they're saying about flows and combine it with the actual facts of a situation from elsewhere and end up with some sort of model of how one thing led to another, what was driving it etc.
 

Clinamenic

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Deleuze, like all of them really, had pretty banal and uninformed opinions on the political issues of his day.
Really? Were they that siloed in pure theory? I don't know what I was expecting really.
 

Clinamenic

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Yeah and my approach here is just to treat pure theory as a hobby and/or an exercise that may eventually find an application outside of the academy.
 

version

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what is kenners knot?
There's a chapter in The Pound Era where Kenner talks about a knot in a rope being a pattern of energy made visible by the rope. He says the same thing about water and the poetic image. It's the medium through which you see the shape of the energies.
 

craner

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If you wanted to actually know about the Gulf War, you wouldn't look to Baudrillard.

It's not even that, though, it's when they were asked in interviews and commissioned to write op-eds it was just ignorant waffling or pompous posturing. The worst for this was actually Badiou, partly because he made a point of being 'politically engaged' and it just ended up being the inverse of Bernard-Henri Lévy's bollocks.

It's just a French thing, though, isn't it? They're far too fond of the two things they should actually be ashamed of: their public intellectuals and their films.
 

craner

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The most laughable thing is that they all considered themselves rigorous Marxists or militant Maoists and yet that was the best they could up with.

Thirdform does far better when he's just spitting random shards in his Daisy Cutter mode.
 

version

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Their mode of thinking definitely seems a hurdle to that sort of thing. Reminds me of what you said about the damage to Nick Land's politics caused by his inhabiting a world of ideas.
 

catalog

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version

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There's a chapter in The Pound Era where Kenner talks about a knot in a rope being a pattern of energy made visible by the rope. He says the same thing about water and the poetic image. It's the medium through which you see the shape of the energies.
It isn't as complex an idea as the BwO or quite the same thing, but it's funny to read pages and pages of D&G describing something Kenner communicates in about one sentence.
 

luka

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what is kenners knot?
Now Ezra Pound on the poetic image: "...a radiant node or cluster;...what i can, and must perforce, call a VORTEX, from which, and through which, and into which, ideas are constantly rushing.
A patterned integrity accessible to the mind; topologicallly stable; subject to variations in intensity; brought into the domain of the senses by a particular interaction of words."in decency one can only call it a vortex.....Nomina sunt consequentia rerum"
For the vortex is not the water but a patterned energy made visible by the water.

A patterned energy made visible by the water. Pound did not chance upon such a conception lightly. Patterns made visible has occupied him when he wrote in 1912 of "our kinship to the vital universe, to the tree and the living rock," having "about us the universe of fluid force, and below us the germinal universe of wood alive, of stone alive": man being "chemically speaking... a few buckets of water, tied up in a complicated sort of figleaf," but capable of having his thoughts in him "as the thought of the tree is in the seed." "energy creates pattern"
...Thirty years later, in Pisa he closed the 74th canto with a double image ofpatterned energy: the magnet's "rose in the steel dust" and the fountain's sculptured flow through which passes renewing water, tossing a bright ball. The same passage mentions the winds Zephyrus and Apeliota, moving energies so stable they have names, and cites Verlaine's comparison of the soul's life to the fountain's....
 

luka

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english allows people to think clearly and to express those ideas clearly. French is a made up language and consequently it makes thought difficult, although not as difficult as it is for the Germans. the harder it is to think in any given language, the more pages the philosophy books have
 

linebaugh

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I was listening to a talk by bruce fink a lacan scholar and he found the complexity cultural and that the french struggle more with hannah ardent than they do their own arcane texts
 

catalog

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Now Ezra Pound on the poetic image: "...a radiant node or cluster;...what i can, and must perforce, call a VORTEX, from which, and through which, and into which, ideas are constantly rushing.
A patterned integrity accessible to the mind; topologicallly stable; subject to variations in intensity; brought into the domain of the senses by a particular interaction of words."in decency one can only call it a vortex.....Nomina sunt consequentia rerum"
For the vortex is not the water but a patterned energy made visible by the water.

A patterned energy made visible by the water. Pound did not chance upon such a conception lightly. Patterns made visible has occupied him when he wrote in 1912 of "our kinship to the vital universe, to the tree and the living rock," having "about us the universe of fluid force, and below us the germinal universe of wood alive, of stone alive": man being "chemically speaking... a few buckets of water, tied up in a complicated sort of figleaf," but capable of having his thoughts in him "as the thought of the tree is in the seed." "energy creates pattern"
...Thirty years later, in Pisa he closed the 74th canto with a double image ofpatterned energy: the magnet's "rose in the steel dust" and the fountain's sculptured flow through which passes renewing water, tossing a bright ball. The same passage mentions the winds Zephyrus and Apeliota, moving energies so stable they have names, and cites Verlaine's comparison of the soul's life to the fountain's....
sounds good. the trees and the stones. and fountains. steel dust.

that grapejuice interview i read this morning has made me think about reading pound but i've not heard of kenner.
 

luka

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kenner is an intereting charcter. made his name as a pound pundit but hes just an all-round-entertainer really.
 
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