four_five_one

Infinition
Oh please, anyone who knows any gay people or is one knows exactly what gay people are still up against.

Actually, I am gay, so I certainly have a person interest in this debate, not only an intellectual interest. I don't feel 'accepted' by most people, no, but you cannot campaign to be accepted, you can only campaign for rights, and now I have all the rights I want, speaking strictly as a gay person.

Further, it seems I could be accepted if I fulfilled the role of one of those gay stereotypes you described earlier. I certainly don't see anything wrong with gay people adopting, or marrying, no, but there's certainly nothing radical about it. Most gay people I know only want these things so they'll 'fit in' and lead 'normal' lives, which is fine, but subtract their sexuality, and these are the most conformist people I've ever met. Pink pound innit.

Actually, what most upset me about being gay was that I'd never be able to father children (or at least in a marriage with a woman & all that entails), but I realized that personally couldn't care less about having children; I only felt deprived of that dream because that's what I thought would satisfy my family, my grandmother for instance, my father - who only recently said to me 'it's a shame you've not got kids to look forward to, if you're feeling depressed, that's the one thing that gave meaning to my life, tho i suppose you could adopt'.

Poetix has summed it up quite well imo. I'll add more later, given chance.
 

Wrong

Well-known member
Those unwilling to join them in this, or critical towards this posture, will be seen as hysterical, malicious, unworthy of their engagement.

You're confusing two separate things here. It's not critics of Badiou in general who are "hysterical, malicious, unworthy of engagement." It's you, specifically.
 

josef k.

Dangerous Mystagogue
It's not critics of Badiou in general who are "hysterical, malicious, unworthy of engagement." It's you, specifically.

Yeah, but what kind of philosophy is it that falls back on this position - that isn't flexible or self-confident enough to deal with hysterical, malicious, unworthy critics, and so has to close its eyes to them. Since there are much, much deeper and powerful forms of maliciousness abroad in the world, it kind of suggests something that Badiovianism isn't even able to stand up on its own two feet here.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
Actually, I am gay, so I certainly have a person interest in this debate, not only an intellectual interest. I don't feel 'accepted' by most people, no, but you cannot campaign to be accepted, you can only campaign for rights, and now I have all the rights I want, speaking strictly as a gay person.

Further, it seems I could be accepted if I fulfilled the role of one of those gay stereotypes you described earlier. I certainly don't see anything wrong with gay people adopting, or marrying, no, but there's certainly nothing radical about it. Most gay people I know only want these things so they'll 'fit in' and lead 'normal' lives, which is fine, but subtract their sexuality, and these are the most conformist people I've ever met. Pink pound innit.

Actually, what most upset me about being gay was that I'd never be able to father children (or at least in a marriage with a woman & all that entails), but I realized that personally couldn't care less about having children; I only felt deprived of that dream because that's what I thought would satisfy my family, my grandmother for instance, my father - who only recently said to me 'it's a shame you've not got kids to look forward to, if you're feeling depressed, that's the one thing that gave meaning to my life, tho i suppose you could adopt'.

Poetix has summed it up quite well imo. I'll add more later, given chance.

I am queer myself. Nice to meet you.

So, your experience of being gay is the universal one? How do you know what someone else's motivation would be in adopting or starting a family? That's a rather huge leap to make. I respect your personal experience, but please, don't tell me what I want and why I want it.

I want no biological children, and I want no marriage, but I do want my partner to be able to go on my health insurance, when I'm working, as mine will undoubtedly be more comprehensive. I want my partner to be able to visit me if I'm in the hospital dying of cancer, without restrictions. I am considering adoption as a valid option simply because I think there are too many orphans in China, and sub-Saharan Africa, and elsewhere, for me to enter into parenthood for anything but unselfish reasons. I really don't want kids, at all. But I do think it may be the right thing to do, if I can one day afford them.
 

nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
I do not have all the rights I want as a gay person, nor do I have them as a woman, either. Not even close.
 
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nomadthethird

more issues than Time mag
I knew this kid once who dropped into conversations that have been in progress for months between several people, cluelessly thinking he could read the subtext of them. He wasn't very bright.
 

massrock

Well-known member
Yes it seems to me a lot of what has passed for argument here is really hipsterism and some personal grudges. It's a bit of a sorry spectacle but not a surprising one sadly.
 
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