constant escape

winter withered, warm
Just took a look at Ody's page on the Scarlet Imprint site. Briefly mentions the importance of authority when commanding spirits.

It does make sense that this should all be rigorous and thorough, seeing as one is attempting to, by some interpretations, externalize their will remotely, or whatnot.

In a way, it is reassuring that most people don't take this sort of thing seriously, and that most of the people who do take it seriously don't take it seriously enough. At least this way, we don't have as many people tampering with such things. Or would you rather see more experimentation, regardless of rigor?
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Just took a look at Ody's page on the Scarlet Imprint site. Briefly mentions the importance of authority when commanding spirits.

It does make sense that this should all be rigorous and thorough, seeing as one is attempting to, by some interpretations, externalize their will remotely, or whatnot.

Anyone working with this stuff would say it has an ontological reality beyond the self. I think that's the right way to approach it, accepting the material on its own terms. I get that this is hard to accept but that's one of the bridges one has to cross with magic.

I was going mention chains of command earlier - the roots of the power to command are ultimately with the Christian God, which is again is also hard for a lot of people to accept. It's a very neoplatonic model of the world. Divine hierarchies.

I don't really have a vested interest in what people are doing. I guess I'm happy that people are pushing forward with their researches and publishing the results.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
I was going mention chains of command earlier - the roots of the power to command are ultimately with the Christian God, which is again is also hard for a lot of people to accept. It's a very neoplatonic model of the world. Divine hierarchies.
Do you mean this actually? Or do you mean that the Christian discourse managed to stake out the ceiling first? That is, that particular discourse managed to contrive an edifice around infinity before, or better than, any other discourse could?

Or am I totally misreading your point? Are you saying that all such discourses are reducible to something that can be expressed in Christian terms?

All of the above is highly cynical too - does that prevent me from seeing your point?
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I think I'm saying - that when you engage in this set of activities , Christian discourses are explicitly being referred to and drawn on. Whether you believe in them fully or not, but that's probably something worth considering. And that's a difference with later magical discourses.
Though I don't really do this stuff so maybe I shouldn't talk about it.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Ah I see, thanks for helping me understand that. I'm still unclear about the whole genealogy of Abrahamic traditions - if that is even the word for it. What sacred texts overlap into what faiths, etc. But I see your point now, about Christianity just being a fundamental frame of reference for a wide variety of magics/discourse.
 

WashYourHands

Well-known member
Psychic Self Defense (imagine Joe Rogan trying to get his mug round that) starts with the Christ Force and the circle.

If the wife is being a bitch I open it, leave it lying around places for her to find, and use one the kid’s hula-hoops if she moves up a gear with a cry of ‘your foul lies cannot besmirch me’. Try with any partner just for the eye rolls.
 

version

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What utterly fascinates me is the the clear link between disability and ritual life in the archaeological record. Britain has a stack of burials of women with disfigurements and birth defects, buried with material culture indicative of seers and ritualist world-views in the Iron Age.
This came up in Midsommar and kicked off some discussion of ableism and eugenics in horror. There's a disabled character who's treated as some sort of oracle.
 

WashYourHands

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Yes, the other as blond inbred.

The number of people who rediscovered some sort of sense of enchantment through story-telling during lockdown was funny. Time admittedly plays a huge factor and i don't mean that snootily, but it's a bit campfirey, huddled in while the storm rages all around.
 

version

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Had a look at Urbanomic's upcoming publications last night and they're publishing something from a group of Italian occultists called Gruppo di Nun who are attempting to fight the alt/far-right's use of the occult with their own. I dunno how good it will be, but I like that there are people like them and znore knocking about who are trying to wrestle this stuff away from them.

Gruppo-di-Nun-cover.jpg

There's an interview with some of them from a couple of years ago,
From a political point of view, we were motivated by the realization that the right has often used, and still uses, magical tools in order to obtain consensus and shape its ideology. We refer, in particular, to the use of meme magic by the alt-right in recent years, and the recurring reference to authors such as Julius Evola by increasingly influential fascist thinkers, like Steve Bannon and Aleksandr Dugin. We believe that this resurgence of magic in right-wing environments calls for a radically anti-fascist demonological guerrilla, based on a foundational shake-up of the principles of the Right-Hand Path magical tradition. This radical opposition to fascist magic also echoes in the name we chose for our group. The name Gruppo di Nun mirrors Evola’s Gruppo di Ur, whose writings are a prime example of alchemical ultra-fascism. Ur, the upward triangle and rune of fire, representing human Will triumphing above the chaotic abyss of matter, was changed to Nun, deity of the primeval waters in Egyptian mythology and kabbalistic sigil for the ocean of infinite recombination.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
This came up in Midsommar and kicked off some discussion of ableism and eugenics in horror. There's a disabled character who's treated as some sort of oracle.
In Baskin this kind of devil or leader of the underworld figure is played by a non-actor who suffers from a disfiguring disease.
 

WashYourHands

Well-known member
Had a look at Urbanomic's upcoming publications last night and they're publishing something from a group of Italian occultists called Gruppo di Nun who are attempting to fight the alt/far-right's use of the occult with their own. I dunno how good it will be, but I like that there are people like them and znore knocking about who are trying to wrestle this stuff away from them.

Gruppo-di-Nun-cover.jpg

There's an interview with some of them from a couple of years ago,


Get this crew to Wembley asap
 

martin

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Had a look at Urbanomic's upcoming publications last night and they're publishing something from a group of Italian occultists called Gruppo di Nun who are attempting to fight the alt/far-right's use of the occult with their own. I dunno how good it will be, but I like that there are people like them and znore knocking about who are trying to wrestle this stuff away from them.
I've now got this image of Italian crust punks in Black Bloc gear vs noncey O9A types in Burzum hoodies, wanking in their rooms to launch psy-missiles at each other.
 
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