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Yep, it's very interesting. I don't need to go on about it either, but it wasn't ridiculous at all. I was pissed off first, for good reason. But lest it go on forever, that is my last post on that.

I'm not saying anything other than what I said - most people have a similar dynamic anyway, obviously including me as I've just said it...

Just for the record, Luka, if I spoke out of turn about parents, then I will wholeheartedly apologise. But I just can't be on here in this kind of pretend mode, where you get to be as horrible as you like, and we can't level with each other. That's a fucking game based on non-realness, and it's...

Well not up to you, is it?

"There was no homophobic banter". Really, come on, Luka. That's just gaslighting. I just don't like it, it makes the space feel non-inclusive, and I would like it to be as inclusive as possible. As to the rest...the thing is, your studied, patronising coldness and that split-off part of you...

Re the argument this afternoon - I still stand by everything I said. The only exception is this : Luke, it wasn't fair to refer in anger to a previous argument that you'd had (however pissed off I was about it, I should still have separated it from the argument at hand and not said that...

Oh ffs - sorry, I can't be doing with all this 'it's just ironic' bullshit. It's so lame and so dishonest. On the rest, I'll reply later, and I probably don't have such strident views. But on that point, let's drag ourselves kicking and screaming into the modern age, please

@luka: I'm tired and I have to go back to work, so I'll be brief and then I'll log back on later. What, in my view, you avoided: the idea that a lot of straight men are particularly anxious about going to gay clubs, not just because they are in a different space (which, as we both said...

I don't enjoy it at all either, it's stressful. But I do think you deflect massively when you don't want to engage with something. I do it too, and you can tell me when I do You're also really fucking patronising quite frequently, whether you're right or wrong. I find it tiring, especially when...

I appreciate you bringing your anger - it's more honest that way than the constant sniping. I'm not even taking the piss I did pick up on something interesting, but we've been through this already.

Straight males talk about gay clubs in nudge-nudge terms while not engaging with the idea that they might be worried about their own sexuality. Create long-winded thread about it. Nothing else to see here. Luka, drop the persecution complex. It was already enough the last time, when people...

I disagree, needless to say. I'm certainly not the only one here who thought something was amiss, and you can go back through the comments to see that. There are no truisms here and no common acceptance, that's the point. There are considerable differences of opinion.

My last post here because I too cannot be arsed any more, but you are projecting like crazy. I made a point you weren't capable of addressing. Fine, but don't blame *me* for not talking about what was actually said! I think it's sad that a forum that prides itself on being open to difference in...

Lol, you can't answer it seriously, which is so interesting. I'm actually bemused - why not?

It feels like the conversation on sexuality on this forum lags about 30 years behind the rest of the conversations. And that's worth pointing out.

I know, and it's a pity that you're not interested when you get moved out of your comfort zone.

No, you're just refusing to follow the conversation. it's not about being right on, it's about not claiming to be liberated while being homophobic out of fear of one's own sexuality.

Sorry to hear about you being assaulted Danny, that's horrible. I've been propositioned a few times (a product of going often rather than magnetic sexuality), but shockingly was able to say no thanks and it was received very well. Much better than most women I know when they've turned down men...

You're not following this discussion at all. To restate, they're scared of their own sexuality, but this has to reframed it as a fear of the dangerous gay man unable to control himself, who's going to rape them.

That was precisely my point, people skirting round the main reason for their anxiety is hilarious.