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linebaugh

linebaugh

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Personally, I can't see anything short of global climate catastrophe or an asteroid or whatever bringing about the level of change people like them are after, but then I'm not a member of an insurrectionist or revolutionary group.
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As someone who works entirely outside the economy i.e. a revolutionary i agree
 
dilbert1

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germaphobian said:
Yeah, these were amazing movies, especially the Unabomber one - puts a lot of things in perspective.
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The best bits are when he’s scribbling in that notebook, and when he gets that computer scientist to draw a big meaningless diagram. Also when he’s taunting the guy that lost his hand in his thick German accent 😂
 
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thirdform

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increases in relative surplus value also require a greater investment of capital into markets which lag behind. If this is bound to be more profitable, then indeed speed can said to be operative to a degree. If not, then it is useful for capital to exploit much more inefficient labour through absolute surplus value (the amount of hours worked.)

Big socialised agriculture is always more productive in terms of quantities produced but it has to be subordinate to the state as the collective capitalist, and once the state cannot centralise the concerns of the men participating in the economy as efficiently, it tends to engender decline.

tiqqun and crew are just feudal nostalgists.
 
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germaphobian

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dilbert1 said:
The best bits are when he’s scribbling in that notebook, and when he gets that computer scientist to draw a big meaningless diagram. Also when he’s taunting the guy that lost his hand in his thick German accent 😂
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There was also that crazy scientist guy who in his teenage years had memorized all of Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus.
 
luka

luka

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dilbert1 said:
The quote is from The Cybernetic Hypothesis but these films by Lutz Dammbeck do a much better job than Tiqqun at exploring the same themes. The first one (2003) is about the history of cybernetics and includes correspondences between Ted Kaczynski and the filmmaker, and the latter (2015) picks up the thread in a different way, examining the origins of television game shows in early 20th c psychiatric practices which were incorporated in denazification efforts after WWII. They are not exactly straightforward documentaries and have an essayistic quality. He is an unequivocally better version of Adam Curtis: an artist pretending to be a documentary filmmaker, instead of a documentary filmmaker pretending to be an artist. He is somewhat prolific and has more films that are also interesting, always with a political or ideological backdrop, besides his animation and more experimental work. Everyone on dissensus has to watch these two




It’s unfortunate Tiqqun mask their shoddy and confused speculations with post-structuralist sophistry. Dammbeck, on the other hand, lays his absolutely bare, like a man:

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lmao these are awaful lol
 
luka

luka

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He's going to say the German accent or that all Germans are Nazis or something.
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the german accent was offputting but its so dozy and amateurish. the quality of the interviewees is hilarious. barely edited too. lol at comparing it to curtis
 
dilbert1

dilbert1

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Das Netz covers very similar territory to the second episode of All Watched Over. I prefer Dammbeck’s formal sensibility to Curtis’s. Not sure what you mean by “the quality of the interviewees.”
 
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