Ian Scuffling

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As you all may have guessed from my avi, I was going to do this eventually. Mad Men is unfortunately the best work of television and the end of the medium, an American Ulysses to Twin Peaks: The Return's Finnegan's Wake. I'm on my 3rd time watching now and am halfway through season 4, just before the show comes to collect on every character's mortgaging of their soul to capital, so I won't be doing a full thread on my favorite episodes nor will I write a more all-encompassing essay, but I do want to jot down the threads that have stuck with me each time I watch it. There appears to not already be a thread on it on here because you all are still strung out on Peaky Blinders and Utopia.

1. Don Draper as simultaneously the heart of darkness of a Horatio Alger, a man who could only exist in his time, and as is evident by now the soul of every hustler from time immemorial. A drifter, a grifter, a sigma, the ultimate male manipulator. Mulvey's gaze personified (his only redeeming quality is his love of the movies, possibly more so than his children). The man who sells America on a life-image he nakedly avoids or destroys in his own world and commodifies every woman he seduces, let alone anyone looking for happiness.

2. WASPs as demons "the middle management of the Fourth Reich." Weber was right and then it happened as farce. Even the women who carve out a space for themselves still must sacrifice every part of themselves to engage in sacrosanct private ownership.

3. The sixties as the apocalypse of a conflict long since over. Citations of Brown Brothers Harriman and the lightning speed integration of countercultural aesthetics signifying their impotence as revolutionary in the first place. Don, the eye of Sauron, was born in the twenties, not when he was hired at Sterling Cooper.

Really I'd like to know if you all find the show as morbidly fascinating as I do, because it seems to me very few critics and scholars pick up on how truly sinister the show and most of its characters are, ironically distracted by the costumes and furniture.
 

william kent

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Mad Men completely passed me by for some reason. I watched the first season then never picked it up again. Similar to The Sopranos which I watched up until about halfway through the fourth then just never went back to. I have to keep the momentum up to finish TV, if I drop off for a bit then there's a good chance I don't finish it, especially if it's one of the American shows as they're so long.
 

Ian Scuffling

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Both shows majorly shift around that spot, so you'll be rewarded for persevering. Mad Men's best seasons are 4 and 5
 

Murphy

cat malogen
never watched but it’s popularity crept through

it ended with a coke ad, didn’t it (?), if so = cosmic maan, find that painful

i did notice the tremendous breasts of a certain cast member elsewhere, c’mon they’re magnificent
 

Ian Scuffling

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Yeah the coke ad really seals it as a slow burn horror, something like the end of The Shining.

The women as a collective are monumental. Don's second wife is, in a completely heterosexual way, iconic.
 

william kent

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1. Don Draper as simultaneously the heart of darkness of a Horatio Alger, a man who could only exist in his time, and as is evident by now the soul of every hustler from time immemorial. A drifter, a grifter, a sigma, the ultimate male manipulator. Mulvey's gaze personified (his only redeeming quality is his love of the movies, possibly more so than his children). The man who sells America on a life-image he nakedly avoids or destroys in his own world and commodifies every woman he seduces, let alone anyone looking for happiness.

Is Draper one of those 'Sigma' icons at this point? I can see how he could be, but I don't get the impression he actually is. There don't appear to be anywhere near as many motivational memes of him as there are Bateman, Shelby et al.

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Ian Scuffling

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He kind of is but I would say he's much more popular with "Facebook boomers;" reactionary and conservative memes with him were pervasive for a while, and he's still beloved by reactionaries all over the internet in general. Here's a funny example of those same relics trying to be relevant with a sigma edit but the same tone as those old Facebook memes. The kids doing all the edits with Bateman, Shelby etc. were just a little too young for Mad Men and I think now would find it too slow; they prefer The Sopranos if anything but I think if they were to truly grasp his "rizz" they might make something of it. Draper's fascinating in that sense, a classic example of a vicious deconstruction of a specific mythology whom they completely misunderstand either from not having finished the show or already being too senile to fully grok it. A good example of the same phenomenon and how these people have come to shape the television landscape post-Breaking Bad: these are the people who love Yellowstone now because Kevin Costner is an unashamed send-up of a similar bootstrapping ludicrously rich purveyor of violence, comparable to the ranchers from Liberty Valance.

I think @kid charlemagne would get a real kick out of Mad Men knowing his fondness for certain artists from that era as well as many sigma icons
 
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