the unrevived and the unrevivable

blissblogger

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Shawn Reynaldo's latest newsletter asks what are the defining sounds of the first half of 2020s and also talks about how the current scene is dominated by revivalism:

Yet even as dancefloors have warmed to a wider range of tempos and drum patterns, they’ve also remained stubbornly in thrall to the past. Recycling has always been big in dance music, and the 2020s have put that tendency into overdrive. Aside from the aforementioned revivals, the past few years have also seen large-scale flirtations with electroclash, bloghouse, trip-hop, progressive house, Eurodance and numerous other ghosts of dance music’s past, many of them from the late ’90s and early ’2000s. In purely aesthetic terms, Y2K-era cosplay has dominated the decade to date, and that, in combination with the current affinity for breakbeats, should have theoretically cleared the way for one specific sound to come steaming back into the dance music conversation.

That sound? Nu-skool breaks, which oddly doesn’t seem to be one anyone’s radar...

The readable-by-nonsubscribers bit ends there, which is a good cut off point, because

a/ it's where I burst out laughing

b/ it's a nice cliffhanger (have to wait until the whole newsletter becomes readable to all to find out what his argument in favor of nu-skool breaks having its moment in the retro sun would be)

It did get me wondering though

1/ What could be Shawn's argument in favor of nu-skool breaks having untapped revival potential?

2/ Has everything else that could be revived already been revived, in fact? What are the other things that haven't been recycled yet? (Thinking specifically in dance music, but could be a wider span).

3/ What things are unrevivable? That no one will ever touch with a retro bargepole?
 

sufi

lala
4/ can things which already got revived be re-revived, at what point do bits start dropping off the shambling zombie?

sigue sigue sputnik will never get revived - their futurism was wrong (and they were awful)
 

Murphy

cat malogen
nu-school breaks is cultural anaphylactic shock

Simon DK joined the People’s Pyramid recently and it seemed like a door closing, on what I’m not quite sure yet, not any ideals as such, more age itself

even the act of entombment courtesy of close friends - cementing cemetery via brick and human ashes - goes so far beyond anything you might think reclaimable as spirit, or thinking the temporality of any life/culture and the ephemerality of what is lost (except for rumours)


@woops crew nailed a tremendous cover recently which took my ears on a fuzzy riot of harmony and from a completely unexpected direction, clearly having fun too (remember fun?)



ideas - dub techno/drones meets garage @0bleak is your man, I know a sizeable contingent here ain’t feeling house but to my ears it’s one of a handful of sound realms where old tunes keep revealing themselves unheard but agree with @sufi ’s point too as in “played out”, @droid ’s thread on the tyranny of 130bpm 4/4 gets right to the heart of just one malaise example and there are many more eg your man @sadmanbarty’s text

but I am old and irrelevant, @wektor is a treasure trove of ideas and in all seriousness @thirdform may yet provide a 15 hour house mix of obscure masterpieces devastating everything in its wake thereby permanently annulling one Dj format entirely because = 15 hours!, and that’s just here without recourse to music collecting, archivists, differing rhythms favoured by different people across masses of threads presenting real world magic in effect
 

wektor

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my older brother had been listening to nu skool since I remember and he hasn't stopped at any point
I think the electro kids are too dark and fashionable to go in that direction
but then we have funk brasileiro which inherits from miami bass, so not that far away?
 

Goth Feet ASMR

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In purely aesthetic terms, Y2K-era cosplay has dominated the decade to date, and that, in combination with the current affinity for breakbeats, should have theoretically cleared the way for one specific sound to come steaming back into the dance music conversation.

That sound? Nu-skool breaks, which oddly doesn’t seem to be one anyone’s radar...
why would anyone want to bring back nu-skool breaks when Florida Breaks is also a style which could be revived (it is the ultimate Break Beat Genre):





 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
anything can be revived because the clubbing/festival industry accumulates interchangeably modulated pleasures. and therein lies it's whiteness, it's zionism, it's indifference to accelerating homelessness and mental health crises, etc. It couldn't be any other way. At the limit, it has to work like this. To even suggest there being such a thing as unrevivables is a relapse into the cult of the genius, and a vulgar desecration of the marxist view on art. Even taste as such corresponds to a productive need, and if the bedrock to augment that need has been banished from the clubbing body politic, then one will struggle even to speak of aesthetic valuation.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
As for nu skool breaks, I've definitely witnessed its rediscovery amongst the progressive/tech house/minimal crowds. Perhaps reynaldo has been inoculated from this living in the US, but it is no aberration in dear old blighty.
 

versh

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Has everything else that could be revived already been revived, in fact?

Can things be repeatedly revived or are they well and truly dead after their second death?

What are the other things that haven't been recycled yet? (Thinking specifically in dance music, but could be a wider span).

Skream's been playing dubstep again and Benga's reemerged, so maybe that's up next.





 

blissblogger

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Can things be repeatedly revived or are they well and truly dead after their second death?

Ska has had a couple of go-rounds since the original ska / rocksteady moment.

Sixties garage punk has had several go-rounds I think.

Not sure about garage punk, but with the 3rd iteration of ska - the No Doubt, Mighty Bosstones wave - I think they were responding more to the Specials / Madness / Beat etc ska revival than going to the Prince Buster source, so that would count as a re-revival.

Love the original ska and even more the 2 Tone thing but the Orange County nu-ska thing was godawful.

The Sixties garage punk thing might just be a kind of continuous unbroken revival - with exponents of it around at any given point between late 70s/early 80s (the first return) and the present.

The equivalent of that in the dance area would be the endless revival of jungle, which is now been going at various degrees of strength for nigh on 20 years I should think. Longer by multiples than jungle originally lasted.

Eighties revivalism is another one that becomes a permanent condition - both the synth electro end of it and then the postpunk which seems to have not really abated completely since it came back in the mid-2000s.
 

tomfun

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why would anyone want to bring back nu-skool breaks when Florida Breaks is also a style which could be revived (it is the ultimate Break Beat Genre):






I was in Orlando for a layover a month ago, wandered out of the airport to look for something to do and ended up at a Florida Breaks night that apparently Icey himself would sometimes go to. Very friendly crowd, though they seemed to all just be the original crowd from the 90s still. The music sounded fantastic in context, but any individual song would sound terrible outside of that context in my opinion. Everyone seemed to know all words to these new songs, one guy opened his set by playing one of those miami bass cds that you would use to test subwoofers in the early 90s, which was a nice touch.


This was one of the songs that seemed to go off, but that could have been due to how close it was to halloween...

I sent some of the tracks i heard to djs who are currently digging into *Nu Skool Breakz* (which has had a revival in the scenes where djs play electro/tech house etc over the last 18 months) and they all pretty much said they thought it was the worst music they had heard in their life.


Some guy gave me a "wook charm" or something, which was a leaf attached to a small clothes peg that he stuck to my hat.

Anyway... Nu Skool Breaks was a semi revival already, Florida Breaks isn't coming back any time soon in my opinion.

I met an early 20s kid who runs nights in Glasgow (in the Subbie i am pretty sure) and he said that he plays mostly late 90s Big Beat and everyone loves it. Said that he focuses on the sound that Fatboy Slim was playing in that era specifically.

Euro House, Prog House, Nu Skool Breaks, Big Beat, Trip Hop, Happy Hardcore, Donk... Surely it should be easy to predict what else from back then will be revived, cos you just have to try to think of the worst music in that era that is missing from the current list. Handbag House?
 

tomfun

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Eighties revivalism is another one that becomes a permanent condition - both the synth electro end of it and then the postpunk which seems to have not really abated completely since it came back in the mid-2000s.

Is this big stateside? This is a sound i like, but i struggle to see it in the UK's currently dying clubscene, whereas it seemed to be popping in Chicago, New York, Nashville, New Orleans and other spots i wasn't visiting. It also seemed to be happening around Europe in various spots, i even reached out to a few of the djs for charts for the back of my fanzine.
 

Goth Feet ASMR

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I was in Orlando for a layover a month ago, wandered out of the airport to look for something to do and ended up at a Florida Breaks night that apparently Icey himself would sometimes go to. Very friendly crowd, though they seemed to all just be the original crowd from the 90s still. The music sounded fantastic in context, but any individual song would sound terrible outside of that context in my opinion. Everyone seemed to know all words to these new songs, one guy opened his set by playing one of those miami bass cds that you would use to test subwoofers in the early 90s, which was a nice touch.


This was one of the songs that seemed to go off, but that could have been due to how close it was to halloween...

I sent some of the tracks i heard to djs who are currently digging into *Nu Skool Breakz* (which has had a revival in the scenes where djs play electro/tech house etc over the last 18 months) and they all pretty much said they thought it was the worst music they had heard in their life.


Some guy gave me a "wook charm" or something, which was a leaf attached to a small clothes peg that he stuck to my hat.

Anyway... Nu Skool Breaks was a semi revival already, Florida Breaks isn't coming back any time soon in my opinion.

I met an early 20s kid who runs nights in Glasgow (in the Subbie i am pretty sure) and he said that he plays mostly late 90s Big Beat and everyone loves it. Said that he focuses on the sound that Fatboy Slim was playing in that era specifically.

Euro House, Prog House, Nu Skool Breaks, Big Beat, Trip Hop, Happy Hardcore, Donk... Surely it should be easy to predict what else from back then will be revived, cos you just have to try to think of the worst music in that era that is missing from the current list. Handbag House?

Had a virulent hatred for breakbeat when I lived in Florida, but have since come to realize that both FL Breaks and
the people who listen to it are considerably cooler and more fun than quite a few of the "serious" experimental/
dance music types I've known over the years. Would probably be for the best if Florida Breaks remained an archaic
regional curiosity, as it's difficult for me to think of much good that's come from the rediscovery and
gentrification of techno and jungle and such that's been boring the shit out of me since 2010 or whenever.

Warms my heart to hear you enjoyed Orlando! Here's another Halloween related FL breaks track you might find amusing:

 

william_kent

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Ska has had a couple of go-rounds since the original ska / rocksteady moment.

no one has thought of reviving SKACID?



Longsy D - This Is Ska ( Skacid Mix )



Longsy D - Mental Ska ( Skacid )

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^ this didn't make it past volume 1 ^

unexplored avenues, roads never taken, etc.,
 
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