The whole history of Western intervention in the Middle East, as elsewhere, is one of actively suppressing the development of indigenous democracies. The CIA's overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953, its facilitation of Saddam's rise to power in the 1970s, the list [you already know it, from numerous posts at Dissensus] is endless and without exception or variation.
Western activities in Iran are certainly nothing to be proud of. (Although it's true that the Islamic Revolution made Iran's situation
worse). "Facilitation" of Saddam is misleading, "support" is more appropriate. Anyway, Saddam's dead, captured by US soldiers and executed by the democratic government of Iraq.
It is you, as ever, who is the anti-Arab racist, consistently supporting fascist Western policies against Middle-Eastern countries.
No, that's not true, since I am explicitly pro any pro-liberal-democracy Arab group or faction or institute or individual
anywhere. I am anti dictators who murder Arabs in great numbers, who squash their potential, who ruin their economies, who feed them lies and useless hatreds, who steal their resourse wealth and hide it in Swiss bank accounts. I am anti reactionary murderous terrorists, who kill all those who fall short of their twisted and medievil vision of Islam and ensnare the Middle East in yet more stupid violence. I am pro-pluralism and so pro the ignored Arab & Mid Eastern minorities, the Shia, the Copts, the Kurds, the Christians, the Yazidi, etc ad absurdam.
You are for the status quo in the Middle East and not against it. You complain that the West installed dictators, and now they are toppling them you are complaining still. You want to protect the rights of illegitimate power-grabbing thugs and you support them when they use violence against their enemies, and of course their enemies are not only Western but, mostly,
other Arabs and Muslims.
I like the bit about the God-like West 'bringing freedom', though usually you say 'bringing democracy', in the form, of course, of bombs and bullets, unprovoked invasions, attacks, military coups ...
Would you have been free to espouse your own political opinions in Nazi Europe? No. Would Nazi Europe have developed the internet and other free media to provide you with a platform to espouse your political views from? No. Are we free-er under Pax America than we would have been under Pax Germanica? Yes, I think that's pretty obvious. Pax USSR? Yes, I think that's pretty obvious too.
What secured this freedom? Bombs, guns, bullets, invasions, military coups, etc. Anyway, don't pretend that you're opposed to these things. You have already mentioned upthread that indeginous third world dictatorships have every right to use them.
Because Israel is causing it, started it, and won't stop until Palestine and Palestinians are destroyed.
One sided as usual. If Israel really wanted to destroy Palestine and kill all the Palestinians, they would have done so already. And, as you know if you've followed this thread, they would be ignored by liberals who only criticise liberal countries. They certainly have the military capabilty to end this now in a storm of bloodshed. Why don't they?
The people have chosen (in Gaza): Hamas. But democracy for Palestinians is anathema for Western racists, and so must be brutally suppressed, in keeping with long-standing POLICY.
Oh - you are in favour of democracy when it is a stick to hit the west with! Hardly suprising. In any case, Hamas are not democrats, they are theocratic reactionaries and murderous terrorists, not totally dissimilar to Fatah (whose name literally means "the opening", the theological term for the expansion of the House of Submission into the House of War). Hitler was elected and used his power to shut down democracy in Germany. Hamas will do the same.
They kill Palestinians because they belong to the wrong political faction. What do you have to say about that?
Oh, those devilish Palestinians, always up to no good! They can't help it, it's in their 'nature'. Damn savages! Hangin's too good for 'em! Smoke 'em out!!
Obviously you're not paying attention. I've been saying that we should stop patronising the Palestinians and treat them like grown-ups. I'm not saying that they're incapable of rational action. If I thought that, I wouldn't be having this conversation at all. Of course they're capable. It's the rest of the people on this thread, who think that suicide-murder is perfectly explicable and often justified, that you should be shouting this at, not me. The Palestinians are indeed capable of stopping the rolling intifada / jihad against Israel. They don't and it's their fault that they don't.