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The 'real deal' meaning? Every Rustie tune I've heard has been crazy. Am I missing something? Are you the 'real deal' Ben UFO?

rustie's an outsider, he has that whole multicoloured crunked up too cool for school irony at a distance thing going on. as I said, I do like some of his stuff, but joker feels more authentic.. no gimmicks. I can imagine listening to gully brook lane in 20 years and smiling. I'm sorry if you find that offensive.
 
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ripley

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rustie's an outsider, he has that whole multicoloured crunked up too cool for school irony at a distance thing going on. as I said, I do like some of his stuff, but joker feels more authentic.. no gimmicks. I can imagine listening to gully brook lane in 20 years and smiling. I'm sorry if you find that offensive.

I have absolutely zero connection to that take on Rustie. Is he an outsider sonically, or socially?

Maybe because I don't know anything about the people I don't get all this other association with or projection onto Rustie's music. Or maybe it's that I gravitate towards music that mixes musical associations (which it looks like you think is in itself a problem), and often find it moving.

What would be offensive (or really just annoying) would be if you were suggesting that people who say they are:"huge fans" are doing some too cool for school irony at a distance thing. ;)
 

Caspa/Rusko = The Chas n Dave of Pubstep

I've said I liked some of his music.. all I wanted to say was that Joker to me seems more real. Even though his stuff is sonically really different, he's still actively participating, and I don't get that from Rustie.

Why does everything have to be comparitive/competitive? I can see that they are both young and operate somewhat outside stylistic / genre confines but the similiarity ends there...Joker's much more of a grime thing, location aside. Personally i like both, on their own terms.
 

gek-opel

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Joker is next level though-- makes most dubstep and grime producers look like total unimaginative amateurs...
 

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I'll do my best to never make a comparative or qualitative judgement again.

Unless it's about people who aren't cool like Fabric artists.
 

ether

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Caspa/Rusko = The Chas n Dave of Pubstep

complete with Jaunty mockney references,

Caspa and Rusko in conversation:

(Rusko) ''lets all head down south-end for some jellied eels''
(Casper) ''we can watch a lovable cockney like danny dyer swear and kicks some-ones head in''
(Rusko) ''I'll play the midi trumpet you can bring your wobble board''
 
I'll do my best to never make a comparative or qualitative judgement again.

Unless it's about people who aren't cool like Fabric artists.

haha, i wasn't trying to start anything ill tempered fella, or put anything out of bounds. i just meant- i would have been interested to see what people had to say about this relatively without anyone being denigrated...that's all ;)
 
yup - we agree

Joker is next level though-- makes most dubstep and grime producers look like total unimaginative amateurs...

but not all in grime though

with Joker (from what I've heard) he's had a big...no HUGE leap in quality like...listen to J.V Anderson then listen to a Aquarius radio rip - sounds like two different producers. could he be getting some help? I ain't tryn adiss but the two tracks are so madly different in quality it does make me think..being 18 aswell...not tryan say you can't be young and a badman producer lol

I reckon if you're going to make these completely over the top wobblers, you might as well throw in a load of absurd samples and make them as stupid as possible.

good point - there's room for everyone as long it doesn't become dominant right?

just copped the new joker ep...

where? where? WHERE?!?!
 
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Grievous Angel

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People slagging off Caspa and Rusko for being too "pubstep" is exactly the same as intelligent d'n'b fans in 1994 slagging off ragga jungle for being too lowbrow.

It's bollocks, sort it out.

Caspa's done some brilliant tracks. I don't want all dubstep to be jump-up, and yes I am really getting a bit bored with the Spongebob-style sub metal that's doing the rounds, but stuff like 'Ave It just rocks.

On the other hand I can't get enough of the forthcoming Scuba album. Takes electronic dubstep deepness to a whole new level.
 
People slagging off Caspa and Rusko for being too "pubstep" is exactly the same as intelligent d'n'b fans in 1994 slagging off ragga jungle for being too lowbrow.

There was no implicit value judgment there- from me anyway- their sound just seems to belong to a world of fruit machines and diamond geezers. there's a kind of cheeky englishness to it. it's distinctive and works a crowd so good on em... tho' admittedly i wouldn't buy it myself.
 

daddek

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rustie's an outsider, he has that whole multicoloured crunked up too cool for school irony at a distance thing going on. as I said, I do like some of his stuff, but joker feels more authentic.. no gimmicks. I can imagine listening to gully brook lane in 20 years and smiling. I'm sorry if you find that offensive.

come one man. you're putting him down, downplaying his music, and for what. Stylistically its authentic as it needs to be and in sentiment its real too so whats to be cynical about? Because he's (possibly )middle class / art school, and wears loud clothes ? And on the same lines, Joker is more authentic because... ? If it's on pure music terms then cool, but it sounds like there's a social belief behind it.

Rustie hasn't made any moves to deserve the accusation that he lacks heart . In fact there's plenty of evidence to the countrary eg the pure fucking sickness of spliff dub remix. You can't fake inspiration and that tune is bursting with it.

There's plenty of reason to compare Rustie and Joker in positive terms. Both make colourful, vibrant music, which gets played in dubstep/grime circles, and gives us hope for the future of that music. :D
 

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There was no implicit value judgment there- from me anyway- their sound just seems to belong to a world of fruit machines and diamond geezers. there's a kind of cheeky englishness to it. it's distinctive and works a crowd so good on em... tho' admittedly i wouldn't buy it myself.


I'm not a massive fan either but Caspa's done some cracking sort of electro-y metallic spikey groovy stuff.. and rusko has made some lush two-step and bouncy wonky techno stuff too. I think you guys will like his claude von stroke remix. He also makes really decent bizarro instrumental hip hop..

daddek said:
Stylistically its authentic as it needs to be and in sentiment its real too so whats to be cynical about? Because he's (possibly )middle class / art school, and wears loud clothes ?

Fair play, like I said it's my problem, I'll get over it. I know a lot of incredibly unpleasant people with myspace pages like that which is probably something to do with it. I assure you it's not a class thing though, I'd be really shooting myself in the foot if it was.
 
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but you hear what I mean right?

I reckon he just got some decent kit / new software.

well on those tracks I've heard it seems that J.V one was done on FL while Blackdown says he moved onto Logic but I don't hear the digital Logic blandness on his 'new improved' tracks

*shrugs*

can mms please let us know which release this is?

There was no implicit value judgment there- from me anyway- their sound just seems to belong to a world of fruit machines and diamond geezers. there's a kind of cheeky englishness to it. it's distinctive and works a crowd so good on em... tho' admittedly i wouldn't buy it myself.

this sound could blow up. lock, stock had some 2 step in it so some dubstep like this could easily fit
 
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