Slothrop
Tight but Polite
You'd be pretty confident that the mob of angry people outside chucking shit at your house was just there for the house, then, and had no bad intentions towards you personally?
Hipsters: Scourge or Irrelevence
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Mr. Tea
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So smashing up a Jewish bakery and spraying swastikas on it, or posting dogshit through a Pakistani family's letterbox, is somehow not fascistic, on the grounds that it doesn't involve bodily injury?
I seeeee.
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Wild Horses
Yeah adding extras 'e's to 'I see' to imply condescension doesn't hide an obvious strawman burning.
Mr. Tea
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Both events illustrate the general principle that just because you're angry about something, and justified in being angry, that doesn't mean any person or group you decide to victimize to vent your anger is automatically a justified target.
Mr. Tea
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I'm just trying to work out how being opposed to the violent scapegoating of a group of perceived outsiders for widespread socioeconomic problems is the 'fascist' position to take here.
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Wild Horses
That happened some time ago. #hatecrime~!11111
droid
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Borderline - but now explicit.
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Wild Horses
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” - Mussolini
Put simply Tea, the events you are crudely referring to do not define what fascism is. And are we really treating hipsters as some kind of endangered minority group now? Melodramatic much?
Put simply Tea, the events you are crudely referring to do not define what fascism is. And are we really treating hipsters as some kind of endangered minority group now? Melodramatic much?
Mr. Tea
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OK, for the record I obviously do not think some prats in pig masks smashing the windows of a willfully ridiculous cafe is directly comparable to volkish bovver-boys trashing Jewish businesses in 1930s Germany. On the other hand, something can be a lot less bad than actual Nazism and still be, you know, kinda bad. And pointing out that attacking someone's property while they're inside it is a fairly shitty thing to do does not constitute any form of 'fascism' whatsoever.
Mr. Tea
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It was more the way a lot of people on here had such an obvious hard-on for what was going on while suffering none of the consequences. It made me think "well how would you feel if a bunch of people you'd never met and never done any harm to decided to destroy your livelihood and put your family's lives at risk?". Unless I've got this all wrong and carpet-shop-owners in Croydon really *are* responsible for police racism and the paucity of job opportunities for young working-class people in some subtle way I'm too stupid to understand.
luka
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Well tea, you're a reactionary and a small c conservative. It's no secret. Most people on here are liberals basically so they'll be bound to disagree with you a lot of the time, one or two are more hard left and they'll disagree with you pretty much all the time. You'll have to get used to it.
Mr. Tea
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I'll admit I don't know a great deal about Italian fascism, but there was certainly a strong anti-capitalist tendency within Nazism - at least early on, before it was purged by the rightist/Corporatist faction within the party - and there remains a virulent strain of anti-Semitism within sections of the radical left to this day.
I'm not sure exactly what all this has to do with Cereal Killer and Fuckparade, except to say that just because you call yourself "anti-capitalist", it doesn't mean you're immune to bigotry and prejudice. Saying "this area belongs to us and to us alone, outsiders are not welcome" is fundamentally a pretty reactionary position, no?
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Wild Horses
Is that a direct quote?
Well, you're the one who brought the term up. A lot of fascist and 'race realist' groups now choose to pursue their goals through neoliberalism and the security state, and your narrative and choice of language aligns with them well enough to gently throw the term back at you ('fascist overtones' - the right not to live in fear is pure Blairite fascism).
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Mr. Tea
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No, not at all. However there is undeniably an anti-Semitic tendency within both the far right and the far left.
It's more like Nazism arose as a mutant strain of leftism that absorbed historical anti-Semitism, a general xenophobia and anti-Russian-ism in particular and then moved economically to the right after the party gained power.
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Mr. Tea
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I think it's a fair summary of a lot of anti-hipster and anti-gentrification rhetoric. People in the hip parts of Berlin say exactly the same thing about Schwabians.